Expect two rate hikes this year or early next year, says Roger Ferguson

is an alphabet board member and we're going to get him to weigh in uh on what we were just talking about, not the grill stuff, the stuff before that and some new data out from the conference board in collaboration with the business council. Their latest measure of CEO confidence survey shows an uptick of optimism in the seauite. Joining us now, former Fed vice chairman Roger Ferguson, vice chair of the business council.So much uh in addition to all that to talk to you about. Uh, Roger. Uh, Bank America thin ...