We are absolutely setting ourselves up for that at some point over the next couple of years, but it's so hard to know exactly when it's going to happen. And I think we have to be sort when it comes to the stock market, it will always look for a reason to go up, right. It needs a reason to go down, not a reason to go up.But in order for it to go down, you have to have a reason. The two main reasons that the stock market goes down, a rising inflation rate, which is what happened in 2022, right. So if you look ...

I think the if if the top's in, then I think the base case has to be that the bare market low is in October of 2026. >> Did you just say the bare market would be about half a year. That's pretty short.>> So, normally bare markets are a year, right. Normally bare markets are one year. And so, I think that if if the top's in, then I think the base case has to be that the bare market low is in October of 2026. Like that >> I feel like has to be base case if the top is in.But I could see an example where Jerome ...

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We also more or less topped on apathy rather than topping on euphoria. Bitcoin has really stalled out. And really what you want to look at in this case is if you look at Bitcoin divided by the S&P 500, what you'll notice it's actually near where it was back in March.It hasn't really moved a whole lot. This purple line shows the balance sheet of the Federal Reserve. And you can see that as the balance sheet started to, you know, as it as it went as we went from quantitative tightening to quantitative easing, ...

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And a lot of times what what a lot of protocols will sort of tout as revenue or profitability is more so just a circular economy. With stocks there's earnings and and like there's profitability, right. There's like an earnings report.Like an investor can take a look at the earnings report, see the company's growing, and then be like, "Yeah, I want to keep putting my money into that." With crypto, we don't really have that, right. Like it's just speculation. It's just kind of liquidity flows from one project ...

how this whole pattern is almost identical to what happened in the 1990s. >> You know, right now it feels like they're two opposite forces. One hand, people are talking about this AI bubble, potential crypto bare market.>> I've really enjoyed AI as far as whether it's a bubble or not. I mean, the thing about bubbles is even if you know, even if you knew for a fact we were in a bubble, it doesn't necessarily tell you how do you make money in the bubble. Because bubbles can last for years before they fully un ...

the early Buttonwood days where the people would uh meet under the tree to trade uh shares of companies amongst themselves. I believe that's how like the New York Stock Exchange got started. Right away I understood, okay, this is the biggest thing. This is like the biggest opportunity that I've ever heard in my life.And the debt burden, you know, what we at $38 trillion, but at some point bond market will break and there'll be like a rush to Bitcoin. >> How much time do we have. >> Say at least 5 years, may ...