‘Democratic institutions...may not have same norms we're used to.’ Jon Meacham on our democracy

As we mark 200 days since Donald Trump began his second term, we want to consider a very powerful message from our 16th president, Abraham Lincoln. Our next guest, historian John Nichum, picked this quote for us from Lincoln's annual address to Congress back in 1862. Quote, "Fellow citizens, we cannot escape history. We of this Congress and this administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves. The fiery trials through which we pass will light us down in honor or dishonor to the latest generation. Li ...