Why there is a 'serious' chance of a government shutdown

Joining us now, Douglas Holtz Aiken, American Action foreign President and former director of the Congressional Budget Office, and Terry Haynes, Pangia policy founder. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Appreciate it.Um, Doug, let's start with you. We were just talking about the prospects of a government shutdown here. Um, we have this conversation on the regular, obviously.What are the prospects this time and sort of how do you see it playing out in terms of how long it could last. what the, you know, crux ...