Ben Rhodes: Brazil delivers a lesson in democracy America can’t ignore

Joining me now, Ben Rhodess, former deputy national security adviser under President Barack Obama. He's the co-host of Pod Save the World and an MSNBC political contributor. He's the author of After the Fall, the rise of authoritarianism in the world we've made.Uh Ben, you're the perfect person to have this this conversation with because of the news cycle that we're in. Some of this was lost. People uh either maybe didn't see it and certainly maybe haven't studied it, but I think it's really really instruct ...