'Sometimes when you lose, you win': Joe on why Dems' shutdown loss may pay off

If you look at the leads of the New York Times and the Washington Post, uh what it shows is something that I actually found was was one of my favorite sayings. Uh it's proving one of my favorite sayings uh that that that came out of my time in Washington DC. Paul Simon, who not the singer, but the senator from Illinois when he was leaving Washington, someone asked, "Well, what have you learned in Washington? What's the one big takeaway?" And Senator Simon said, "Well, in politics, sometimes when you win, yo ...