Joining me now here on set with me and former federal prosecutor and former Justice Department lawyer along with Josh Gernstein, senior legal affairs writer for Politico. Both of you, thank you for being with us. And Josh, we'll start with you.What has stood out to you and everything that we've learned since the meeting between Blanch and Gile Maxwell. Well, I have to say, Ariel, that the things that we've heard just in the last 24 hours about a potential pardon uh really uh are the is what jumps out at me ...

Joining us now, NBC News justice reporter Ryan Riley, MSNBC legal analyst and former federal prosecutor Christy Greenberg, and MSNBC political analyst and chief White House correspondent at the New York Times, Peter Baker. So Ryan, what's the latest we're hearing from the Justice Department about today's discussions with Maxwell. you know, so they yesterday they came out and said that there, you know, the defense attorney said that they had these ongoing meetings that she was, you know, honest.But I I think ...

Let's listen in a little bit. We've gotten some of the video from President Trump speaking to reporters from the White House point where you're going to have to finish the job. They really uh they they asked the thing.Don't forget we got a lot of hostages out. So now we're down to the final hostages and they know what happens after you get the final hostages. And basically because of that, they really didn't want to make a deal.I saw that. So they pulled out and they're going to have to fight and they're go ...

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