us now. Staff writer with the Atlantic and MSNBC political analyst Ashley Parker, New York Times Justice Department reporter Glenn Thrush and former chief strategist for the Bush Cheney 2004 presidential campaign and MSNBC senior political contributor Matthew Dow joins us. Glenn, um, this is what happens when you nurse a conspiracy theory and you then get into a position where you are responsible for quelling things that aren't true, for trying to suppress conspiracy theories. What happens now? Well, the, y ...

The thing about the MAGA movement is they're the worst winners in human history. I mean, you're you're you're you're like a world-class athlete. Have you ever seen anyone win and act like such a jerk as the MAGA people? I mean, I've seen it, but they're not my friends, right? They're not my people. [Music] This is perhaps the episode of the best people that I dreamed about that I thought would never come to be. Um, you two have an outsized role in my life. From untamed to the role of a stepparent with the u ...