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BlackRock TCP Capital (TCPC) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-07 17:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Nonaccruals decreased to 3.7% of the portfolio's fair market value, down from 4.4% last quarter and 5.6% at the end of 2024 [6] - NAV declined during the quarter primarily due to markdowns on previously restructured portfolio companies [6] - Adjusted net investment income was $0.31 per share, down from $0.36 in the first quarter, while gross investment income was $0.61 per share compared to $0.66 in the prior quarter [23] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The portfolio had a fair market value of approximately $1.8 billion invested across 153 companies in over 20 industry sectors [21] - The average investment size was $11.7 million, with 89% of the portfolio invested in senior secured debt, all in floating rate instruments [21] - The weighted average annual effective yield of the portfolio was 12% in the second quarter, compared to 12.2% in the prior quarter [21] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - New investments had a weighted average yield of 10.8%, while exited investments carried an average yield of 10.5% [21] - Total liquidity at quarter end was $566 million, including $455 million of available leverage and $107 million in cash [27] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The acquisition of HPS is expected to enhance TCPC's capabilities in private credit, creating a new platform called Private Financing Solutions (PFS) [31] - PFS aims to centralize private investment sourcing and origination teams to maximize collaboration and effectiveness [32] - TCPC will continue to directly source investments while leveraging PFS's extensive deal sourcing capabilities [32] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed disappointment over additional markdowns but noted progress in reducing nonaccruals and sourcing attractive investments [34] - The company is focused on diligently working through portfolio challenges to deliver the best possible outcomes for shareholders [34] - Management acknowledged that the high rate environment and macroeconomic conditions could impact demand and performance of portfolio companies [56] Other Important Information - The Board declared a second quarter dividend of $0.25 and a special dividend of $0.04 per share, payable on September 30 [13] - The company repurchased 40,830 shares of TCPC stock during the quarter [13] Q&A Session Summary Question: Changes in the investment process with new committee members - Management indicated that the investment process will benefit from centralized origination and sourcing, leveraging resources from both BlackRock and HPS [36][38] Question: Ensuring TCPC receives proper access and resources during growth - Management assured that TCPC remains a strategic priority for the PFS platform and will continue to receive deep engagement across investment processes [42][44] Question: Markdown on Auto Alert and its performance - The markdown was primarily driven by market comps rather than performance issues, although the company has shown improvements since restructuring [45]
FS KKR Capital (FSK) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-07 14:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - FSK generated net investment income of $0.62 per share and adjusted net investment income of $0.60 per share, compared to public guidance of approximately $0.64 and $0.62 per share respectively [8] - Net asset value per share declined 6.2% from $23.37 to $21.93 during the quarter [8] - Total investment income was $398 million for the second quarter, a decrease of $2 million compared to the first quarter [25] - Total expenses were $225 million during the second quarter, an increase of $12 million compared to the first quarter [26] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - New investment activity remained strong with $3.4 billion of investments originated in 2025, of which $1.4 billion were originated during the second quarter [9] - Approximately 72% of new investments were focused on add-on financings to existing portfolio companies and long-term KKR relationships [21] - Non-accruals represented 5.3% of the portfolio on a cost basis and 3% on a fair value basis as of the end of the second quarter [22] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Global M&A volume is down close to 10% year over year, but the team evaluated more opportunities in Q2 than in any of the previous eight quarters [12] - Direct tariff exposure has declined and now falls within the low to mid single-digit range [13] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company continues to focus on senior secured investments, with approximately 59% of the portfolio in first lien loans and 64% in senior secured debt as of June 30 [24] - The 2025 distribution strategy aims to provide shareholders with additional distributions from accumulated spillover income, with a total expected distribution of $2.80 per share [10] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed cautious optimism for an increase in M&A activity later this year and into next year, despite current market volatility [12] - The company is focused on stabilizing operations and realizing meaningful cost efficiencies in response to headwinds from tariffs and softer consumer demand [19] Other Important Information - The weighted average yield on accruing debt investments was 10.6% as of June 30, a decrease of 20 basis points compared to the previous quarter [25] - The company plans to provide additional details regarding its 2026 dividend strategy on the third quarter earnings call [11] Q&A Session Summary Question: What are you seeing in terms of originations in the second half? - Management noted increased activity and deal count, with more deals evaluated in Q2 than in the previous eight quarters, indicating a busier environment [36] Question: Do you have any other companies on a watch list beyond the four mentioned? - Management indicated that approximately 7% of the portfolio is in risk ratings QAR bucket three and four, with some names showing positive momentum [39] Question: Can you explain the anticipated dividend from the joint venture for Q3? - The anticipated dividend for Q3 is lower due to the timing of certain ABF dividends, which tend to be lumpy [45] Question: What is the company's view on buybacks given the current portfolio conditions? - Management stated that they have historically been active in buybacks but will balance that with market opportunities and target leverage ratios [50] Question: Are there any themes leading to re-defaults in the portfolio? - Management clarified that each situation is unique, and while some companies are facing challenges, proactive restructuring efforts are ongoing [60] Question: How does the company plan to manage inflow and outflow of investments? - Management emphasized the correlation between new deal flow and repayments, indicating that they have levers to manage growth within their target leverage band [78] Question: What is the current status of spillover income? - Spillover income has been reduced to the mid-400 million range, with a target of aligning it to approximately two quarters' worth of dividends [100]
FS KKR Capital (FSK) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-08 14:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q1 2025, the company generated net investment income of $0.67 per share and adjusted net investment income of $0.65 per share, compared to public guidance of approximately $0.66 and $0.64 per share respectively [11] - The company ended the quarter with approximately $3.2 billion of available liquidity [11] - The net asset value per share decreased from $23.64 at the end of Q4 2024 to $23.37 at the end of Q1 2025 [30] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company originated approximately $2 billion of new investments during the first quarter, with 45% focused on add-on financings to existing portfolio companies [18] - New investments included approximately 63% in first lien loans, 19% in asset-based finance, and 15% in capital calls to the joint venture [19] - The weighted average yield on accruing debt investments decreased to 10.8% as of March 31, down from 11% at the end of Q4 2024 [28] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Approximately 8% of the portfolio could have direct exposure to tariff policies, while low to mid single-digit exposure to DOGE is estimated [15] - Non-accruals represented 3.5% of the portfolio on a cost basis and 2.1% on a fair value basis, showing slight improvement from 3.7% and 2.2% respectively at the end of Q4 2024 [21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a stable income for investors by keeping a consistent distribution strategy, with a declared second quarter distribution of $0.70 per share [11] - The focus remains on upper middle market companies with EBITDA between $50 million and $150 million, which are believed to have more resilience during challenging periods [20] - The company is actively managing exposure to tariffs and has exited two portfolio companies deemed to have higher risks related to tariffs [16] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - The management expressed concerns about the worsening economic outlook and increased volatility in debt and equity markets [8] - The expectation is that the macroeconomic environment will stabilize by early next year, providing clearer insights into interest rates and other economic drivers [10] - The management remains cautious about the potential for a recession but believes that the company is well-positioned to navigate the current uncertainties [49] Other Important Information - The company closed on its second middle market CLO, raising $380 million of low-cost secured debt [33] - The management team has amended the Morgan Stanley funding facility, reducing the spread and extending the maturity date [33] Q&A Session Summary Question: Timing of deployments and rate changes impact - Management noted that the origination number was satisfactory and that the decline in rates has mostly flowed through as of the end of Q1 [38][40] Question: Market share and competitive environment - Management indicated that they are gaining market share through diversified origination sources and strong sponsor relationships, although M&A activity has slowed [41][43] Question: Macro group insights on recession odds - The macro group sees a higher likelihood of a recession, albeit potentially muted, and is actively monitoring economic indicators [48] Question: Yield compression expectations - Management acknowledged the potential for additional yield compression as the portfolio churns, with new money yields expected to be lower than previous repayments [50][52] Question: Asset-based financing risks - Management highlighted that consumer-related risks in the asset-based finance portfolio are being monitored, with a focus on secured, high FICO score borrowers [62] Question: Interest coverage trends - Management explained that the lag effect in interest coverage metrics is due to the timing of rate changes and portfolio adjustments [84]
BlackRock TCP Capital (TCPC) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-02-27 20:53
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Full year 2024 adjusted net investment income was $1.52 per share, down from $1.84 per share in 2023, with an annualized net investment income ROE of 14.5% [10] - Fourth quarter adjusted net investment income per share was flat at $0.36 compared to the previous quarter [11] - NAV per share decreased to $9.23 from $10.11, reflecting markdowns in the investment portfolio [11][12] - Non-accruals represented 5.6% of the portfolio at fair market value, up from 3.8% in the previous quarter [11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The portfolio had a fair market value of approximately $1.8 billion invested across 154 companies, with 91.2% in senior secured loans [30] - The weighted average effective yield of the portfolio decreased to 12.4% from 13.4% in the previous quarter [31] - New investments had a weighted average yield of 10.8%, while exited investments had a yield of 14% [32] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The overall M&A volumes remained below expectations, but there was a healthy flow of new investment opportunities [33][39] - The market is experiencing tighter spreads due to increased competition between private credit and traditional lending sources [41] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company plans to focus on the core middle market with a proactive approach to sourcing and underwriting [24] - A highly diversified portfolio will be maintained, limiting exposure to specific industry subsectors [26] - The company will prioritize investing in first lien loans and deepen connections with the broader BlackRock platform for competitive advantage [27][28] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about navigating challenges in 2024 and returning to historical above-market returns [10] - The company is focused on resolving credit issues with borrowers and sponsors, emphasizing that quick resolutions may not always yield the best results for shareholders [12][13] - The management team is confident in their ability to work through current challenges and return the portfolio to historical performance levels [29] Other Important Information - The Board decided to reduce the regular dividend to $0.25 per share for the first quarter, while also declaring a $0.04 special dividend [20][21] - The advisor agreed to waive one-third of the base management fee for three quarters beginning January 1, 2025 [22] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide details on the spillover and target level for dividends? - The company has about $0.10 of carryover from the prior quarter and aims for a sustainable regular dividend level based on current earnings power [54][55] Question: Will there be any strategic changes due to the BlackRock HPS acquisition? - Management does not expect meaningful changes and emphasizes a focus on business as usual, while highlighting expanded resources from the acquisition [58][60] Question: What level of confidence is there regarding write-downs in the portfolio? - Management is focused on managing existing non-accruals and acknowledges that while there may be ongoing markdowns, they are largely centered around known assets [67][70] Question: What are the risks associated with the new non-accrual, Renovo? - The underlying issues are related to inflation and consumer appetite, but operational execution issues are also present, which are considered easier to address [74][75] Question: Is the management fee waiver related to the HPS acquisition timing? - Management clarified that the fee waiver is a thoughtful approach to acknowledge NAV decline and is not specifically timed with the HPS acquisition [79] Question: What steps are being taken to maintain investment grade rating ahead of the 2026 debt maturity? - The company is focused on maintaining its investment grade rating and plans to access capital markets closer to the maturity date [85][88]