Icahn Enterprises(IEP) - 2024 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - NAV decreased by $423 million from Q2 2024, with positive returns in investment funds offset by declines in CVR Energy and disappointing performance in the auto service division [7] - Investment funds were up approximately 8$1.6 billion in cash and cash equivalents at the holding company and an additional $800 million at the funds [9] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Energy segment EBITDA was negative$38 million for Q3 2024, down from $347 million in Q3 2023, impacted by unplanned downtime and lower refining margins [15] - Automotive services revenues decreased by$51 million due to operational challenges, with net sales and other revenues down by $70 million compared to the prior year [16] - Real estate adjusted EBITDA decreased by$10 million, primarily due to the sale of an investment property and reduced sales of single-family homes [17] - Food Packaging adjusted EBITDA decreased by $6 million, despite increased volumes, due to a shift in product mix and lower pricing [19] - Pharma segment adjusted EBITDA improved by$2 million, mainly due to higher prescription growth [20] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Refining margin per throughput barrel decreased to $2.53 from$31.05 in the prior year quarter, driven by lower crack spreads [15] - Average realized gate prices for UAN increased by 3% to $229 per ton and ammonia increased by 9$399 per ton compared to the prior year quarter [15] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The Board reduced the quarterly distribution from $1 per depositary unit to$0.50 to maintain liquidity for investment opportunities [11] - The company is exploring the sale of a 45-acre site in Nashville, which is expected to yield proceeds exceeding current book value [17] - The management believes that the auto service division can achieve EBITDA margins in the high single digits to double digits over a multiyear period [9] Management Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged the challenges in the automotive services division but noted signs of improvement following management changes [26] - The company remains optimistic about the future cash flow from CVR Energy, despite current market conditions [10] - Management emphasized the importance of maintaining liquidity to capitalize on attractive opportunities within and outside existing operating segments [20] Other Important Information - The company has received over 3 billion in dividends from its CVR investment since 2012 [10] - The company is focused on building asset value and maintaining liquidity to enable capitalizing on opportunities [20] Q&A Session Summary Question: Discussion on dividend, liquidity, and CVR - Management highlighted significant liquidity with 1.5 billion to $1.6 billion at the holding company and$800 million at hedge funds, emphasizing the attractiveness of the CVR investment [23] Question: Changes in the auto business management - Management confirmed that changes occurred around quarter-end, with significant improvements already noted post-management changes [26] Question: CapEx needs for food segment modernization - Management indicated that a capital plan is being developed, but specific CapEx needs are not yet determined [35] Question: Reconciliation of investment fund holdings - Management confirmed that a distribution during the quarter resulted in a movement from investment funds to holding company cash [40] Question: Dividend structure for Carl Icahn - Management stated that Carl has the same decision-making power regarding dividends as other shareholders [43] Question: Food Packaging segment profitability guidance - Management explained that increased volumes were offset by a lower-margin product mix and pricing competitiveness returning to pre-pandemic levels [46] Question: Industry consolidation potential - Management acknowledged the potential benefits of consolidation but noted no immediate opportunities that make sense [52]