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ThyssenKrupp(TKAMY) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
TKAMYThyssenKrupp(TKAMY)2024-11-22 12:46

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company achieved adjusted guidance on sales, EBIT, and free cash flow, with a positive free cash flow of EUR110 million for the second consecutive year [10][11] - Sales for the fiscal year were 7% below the prior year, totaling EUR2.5 billion less, while EBIT adjusted was EUR567 million, above the guidance of EUR500 million [16][22] - Net income was negatively impacted, reaching EUR1.4 billion, reflecting EUR1.6 billion in special effects, including EUR1 billion in impairments at Steel Europe [17][18] - The balance sheet remains strong with a net cash position of EUR4.4 billion, slightly up from the previous year [20] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Automotive Technology: Sales were down 7% in Q4 and below the prior year for the full fiscal year, but the segment showed resilient performance with a return on sales (ROS) of 3.3% [23] - Decarbon Technologies: Experienced a 12% growth in sales for the fiscal year, driven by a strong order book, but bottom-line performance was affected by special effects [27] - Materials Services: Sales were down 11% overall, but the segment maintained stable EBIT and cash conversion above 2 times [30][31] - Steel Europe: Sales were down 13% year-over-year, with a significant impact on profits due to underutilization and market conditions [33][34] - Marine Systems: Sales increased significantly, with EBIT strong at 5.9% ROS, benefiting from increased defense spending [36] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The automotive market remains soft, impacting demand across various segments, particularly for Steel Europe [13][23] - Geopolitical uncertainties and macroeconomic conditions continue to affect overall market performance [12][13] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to transform into a world-class technology group, focusing on green transformation and leveraging existing technologies to reduce CO2 emissions [5][6] - Strategic priorities include portfolio management, performance improvement, and green transformation, with ambitious targets set for the current financial year [8] - The company is pursuing a spin-off for Marine Systems while exploring partnerships to enhance competitiveness [57][59] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the challenging geopolitical and economic environment but remains optimistic about the green transformation opportunities [4][5] - The outlook for the current fiscal year includes a sales growth guidance of 0% to 3% and EBIT adjusted guidance of EUR600 million to EUR1 billion [42][43] - The company anticipates restructuring payments impacting free cash flow, projecting a range of minus EUR400 million to minus EUR200 million before M&A [44][45] Other Important Information - The company invested around EUR690 million in research and development in the past financial year [6] - The APEX performance management program has been crucial in achieving financial stability, with EUR1.2 billion in EBIT improvement attributed to it [48][66] Q&A Session Summary Question: APEX's impact on financials - The company confirmed that without APEX, it would have reported a loss at the EBIT line this year [66][67] Question: Marine disposal and government involvement - Management expressed confidence in the German government's intention to consolidate the industry and take a stake in the company, despite recent political changes [68][69] Question: Steel business plan timing and metrics - The Steel business plan is expected in the coming months, with management focusing on creating an attractive plan requiring limited funding [76][77] Question: Key questions delaying the Steel business plan - Management clarified that they are not stuck on specific questions but are working to finalize the business plan with a new team [84][85] Question: Optimism in Steel despite market pressures - The anticipated performance improvement in Steel is primarily efficiency-driven rather than volume-driven, focusing on cost measures [86][87] Question: Marine Systems strategic partnership discussions - The company is currently focused on a spin-off for Marine Systems and is open to potential partnerships if they arise [89][90]