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BrightSpire Capital(BRSP) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported a fourth quarter GAAP net loss attributable to common stockholders of 19.7millionor19.7 million or 0.16 per share [7] - Distributable earnings for the fourth quarter were 13.7millionor13.7 million or 0.11 per share, with adjusted distributable earnings at 23.7millionor23.7 million or 0.18 per share [7][32] - Current liquidity stands at 418million,with418 million, with 253 million being unrestricted cash [7][39] - GAAP net book value decreased to 8.08persharefrom8.08 per share from 8.39 per share, while undepreciated book value decreased to 8.89persharefrom8.89 per share from 9.11 per share [34] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company funded five new loans totaling 119millionduringthequarter,allinmultifamilyproperties,withanadditional119 million during the quarter, all in multifamily properties, with an additional 59 million in closing [16][25] - The total number of watch list loans was reduced to seven from nine, with watch list exposure standing at 411million,downfrom411 million, down from 456 million [26][29] - The company received 93millioninrepaymentsacrossfourloansduringthefourthquarter,withtotalrepaymentsandresolutionproceedsreaching93 million in repayments across four loans during the fourth quarter, with total repayments and resolution proceeds reaching 198 million [24] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The commercial real estate debt markets have shown improvement, with CLO issuance increasing and AAA spreads tightening by approximately 50 basis points [11] - Higher interest rates and a surge in insurance company annuity sales have driven compression in credit spreads, although lending rates remain elevated [12][15] - The ten-year treasury yield is about 65 basis points higher compared to the end of the third quarter [14] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on rebuilding its loan book and executing a new CLO, with a target to originate over 1billioninnewloansin2025[51][102]ThestrategyincludesresolvingwatchlistloansandexecutingREOdispositionstogeneratecapitalforgrowth[21][82]Thecompanyaimstomaintainandpotentiallygrowitsdividendbyincreasingitsloanportfoliotoover1 billion in new loans in 2025 [51][102] - The strategy includes resolving watch list loans and executing REO dispositions to generate capital for growth [21][82] - The company aims to maintain and potentially grow its dividend by increasing its loan portfolio to over 3 billion [52][102] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about the ability to grow the loan portfolio and earnings, despite challenges in the current interest rate environment [22][108] - The company anticipates a modest amount of negative coverage while redeploying capital and expects to reach sustained positive dividend coverage [21][75] - Management noted that the market is currently in a state of "transaction limbo," with many borrowers facing challenges due to high interest rates [53] Other Important Information - The company recorded specific CECL reserves of approximately 10millionduringthefourthquarter,primarilyrelatedtoaFortWorthmultifamilyloan[35]Thedebttoassetsratiois6510 million during the fourth quarter, primarily related to a Fort Worth multifamily loan [35] - The debt to assets ratio is 65%, and the total debt to equity ratio is 2.2 times [39] - The company has no corporate debt or final facility maturities due until 2027 [39] Q&A Session Summary Question: Comments on proactive asset management and outlook for CLO spreads - Management acknowledged the proactive asset management strategy and confirmed intentions to execute another CLO, which would enhance ROE [46][48] Question: Expectations for portfolio growth in 2025 - Management indicated a need to originate over 1 billion in loans to sustain and potentially grow the dividend, with a goal to exceed a $3 billion portfolio [51][102] Question: Clarification on general seasonal reserve increase - Management clarified that the increase in reserves is primarily related to risk-ranked loans, with no specific concerns regarding rent growth on the West Coast [60][61] Question: Path forward on resolving the San Jose Hotel asset - Management expressed satisfaction with exiting bankruptcy court and emphasized the focus on resolving the San Jose Hotel loan, which is a significant part of the watch list [63][65] Question: Timeline for getting back to a steady state on originations - Management estimated it would take the full year to stabilize the origination pipeline, with a focus on lender-driven transactions [70][75] Question: Actionable assets in the REO portfolio - Management highlighted plans for value-add strategies on multifamily properties in Texas and emphasized the importance of resolving REO assets for capital generation [78][82]