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CVR Energy(CVI) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For the full year of 2024, the company reported a consolidated net income of $45 million and an EBITDA of $394 million [7] - For Q4 2024, consolidated net income was $40 million and EBITDA was $122 million [8] - Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 2024 was $67 million, with adjusted losses per share of $0.13 [17][18] - The estimated accrued RFS obligation on the balance sheet was $323 million at December 31, down from $329 million at the end of 2023 [19] Business Segment Data and Key Metrics Changes - In the petroleum segment, EBITDA was $223 million for the full year and $9 million for Q4 2024, with throughput of approximately 214,000 barrels per day [8][9][18] - The fertilizer segment generated $179 million of EBITDA for the full year and $50 million for Q4 2024, with ammonia utilization of 96% [8][21] - The Renewables segment reported $3 million of EBITDA for the full year and $9 million for Q4 2024, a significant improvement from a negative $17 million in Q4 2023 [8][20] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Benchmark cracks softened in Q4 2024, with Group 3-2-1-1 averaging $14.32 per barrel [10] - RIN prices increased by $0.17 per barrel from Q3 2024, averaging approximately $4.06 per barrel for Q4 [11] - Prompt fertilizer prices were $600 per ton for ammonia and $315 per ton for UAN at the start of the new year [42] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company plans to focus on reducing debt and restoring its balance sheet to target levels post-turnaround [43] - There is a cautious optimism regarding refining market conditions improving in 2025 due to supply-demand balance adjustments [30][32] - The company is exploring opportunities in the renewable space but is pausing active pursuits until there is clarity on government subsidies [36][38] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that the refining market remains oversupplied but expects improvements in 2025 due to planned closures and increased demand [29][32] - The turnaround at Coffeyville is expected to extend by 10 to 15 days, with increased costs of $10 to $15 million [33] - The company is optimistic about the fertilizer segment due to tightening grain prices and good demand for the spring [39] Other Important Information - The company ended Q4 2024 with a consolidated cash balance of $987 million [24] - Total consolidated capital spending for 2024 was $128 million in the petroleum segment, $7 million in the fertilizer segment, and $11 million in the renewable segment [23] - The board declared a distribution of $1.75 per common unit for Q4 2024, resulting in a cash distribution of approximately $7 million for the company [21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Future use of free cash flow post-turnaround - Management indicated a focus on deleveraging and a balanced approach to potentially returning dividends as market conditions improve [49][50] Question: Timeline and CapEx for higher jet yield projects - Management stated that building a book of business for jet fuel is a constraint, but they expect to be ready to produce jet at Coffeyville by the end of Q3 [53][54] Question: Diversification of refining operating footprint - Management acknowledged the need to diversify from the Group 3 market and is open to opportunities but noted that bid-ask spreads have been too wide [59][60] Question: Path to positive EBITDA in the Renewables segment - Management highlighted the uncertainty of government subsidies as a major challenge for investments in renewables, particularly SAF [64][66] Question: Tax implications of the Midway pipeline sale - Management confirmed there will be a tax impact from the $90 million sale, with taxes anticipated to be paid in early 2025 [71] Question: Constraints impacting renewable diesel capacity - Management explained that catalyst limitations have necessitated a downgrade in capacity, but future projects could address these constraints [75][76]