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netpower(NPWR) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company closed 2024 with 533millionincash,downfromapproximately533 million in cash, down from approximately 580 million at the end of Q3, reflecting 13millioninoperatingcashoutflowsand13 million in operating cash outflows and 29 million in capital expenditures [50][51] - Total capital expenditures for the full year were roughly 70million,withoperatingcashoutflowsofapproximately70 million, with operating cash outflows of approximately 32 million [51][52] - The estimated total installed cost for Project Permian has increased to 1.7billionto1.7 billion to 2 billion, representing an approximately 100% increase from earlier estimates [14][15] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The completion of the front-end engineering and design (FEED) for Project Permian marked a significant milestone, with no fatal flaws identified in the technology or plant design [5][12] - The company has initiated a post-FEED optimization and value engineering exercise to reduce costs for Project Permian [8][37] - The La Porte demonstration facility has achieved over 140 fired hours of operation during the first phase of the equipment validation program [46] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The energy sector is experiencing unprecedented demand for reliable generation capacity, driven by underinvestment in power infrastructure and rapid load growth, particularly from AI and data centers [6][9] - The company anticipates that the market will remain tight through the end of the decade, with significant competition for new baseload generation solutions [96][100] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to be the lowest cost source of clean, firm power by focusing on cost optimization, modular design, and strategic partnerships [11][58] - Future priorities include completing feasibility studies for multi-unit projects along the Gulf Coast and seeking to raise capital for commercialization [19][21] - The company is exploring opportunities to unlock the embedded value of its technology through licensing and industrial-scale applications [27][48] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management highlighted the challenges posed by inflationary pressures and tight supply chains in the energy sector, impacting project costs and timelines [11][16] - The company remains optimistic about its technology's potential to deliver clean, reliable, and affordable energy, despite current market challenges [57][58] - Management emphasized the importance of securing strategic capital partners to fund future projects and achieve economic commercialization [55][106] Other Important Information - The company is evaluating other creative ways to commercialize its technology, including partnerships for industrial applications [27][48] - The collaboration with Baker Hughes and Woodside Energy aims to develop an industrial-scale Net Power solution for smaller applications [47] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you break out labor costs and productivity assumptions within the FEED? - Management indicated that they cannot provide a detailed breakdown but noted that market supply-demand imbalances and escalation in material and labor costs contributed to the increase [63][65] Question: How do you see thermal CapEx declining over the next several years? - Management expressed skepticism about CapEx deflation in the near term due to tight supply chains and emphasized the importance of multi-pack deployments for cost reductions [70][71] Question: Can you discuss milestones for modularization? - Management confirmed ongoing efforts to maximize modularization at Project Permian and plans to explore feasibility for future deployments [83] Question: Any updates on discussions with the DOE? - Management noted alignment with the current administration's focus on domestic energy security and the potential benefits of the 45Q tax credit [87][90] Question: How are financial partners approaching funding? - Management indicated that strategic partners are focused on the pathway to deploying Net Power units at scale, aligning with the 2030 to 2035 timeframe [105][106]