Camping World Holdings(CWH) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company recorded revenue of $1.2 billion for Q4 2024, an increase of 9% compared to the previous year, driven by an 8% increase in new unit sales and an 11% increase in used unit sales [20][21] - Adjusted EBITDA loss improved to $2.5 million from a loss of $8.9 million year-over-year, primarily due to accelerated used inventory procurement and new unit market share gains [23] - The company ended Q4 with approximately $288 million in cash, including $80 million in the floor plan offset account, and $339 million in used inventory net of flooring [24] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - New vehicle gross margin was 15.2%, primarily due to lower promotional support compared to the prior year, while used vehicle gross margin improved to 18.7% as fresh used inventory was brought back into the system [21] - Good Sam achieved revenue growth of 1% with nearly $95 million in EBITDA, indicating solid performance in product services and other core dealer service revenues [22] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company ended 2024 with a record combined new and used market share of 11.2%, with expectations to reach 12% in early 2025, selling over 130,000 units, up from 121,500 in 2024 [10][11] - The company anticipates retail demand for the RV industry to remain relatively flat year-over-year, estimating around 350,000 retail sales, with wholesale shipments slightly higher to support restocking [98][102] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims for 10% to 15% unit growth in used RVs and low single-digit growth in new RVs, with a focus on improving total gross profit and achieving a 600 to 700 basis point improvement in SG&A as a percentage of gross profit [10][23] - The management is focused on judiciously reestablishing the used business while maintaining dominance in the RV market, with plans to close an additional four to six dealership acquisitions by the end of spring [18][90] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the health of the broader RV industry, citing good foot traffic and lead volume, and noted that consumer interest in RVs is returning [42][46] - The company expects explosive EBITDA growth in Q1 2025 compared to the prior year, driven by gross margin improvements and significant SG&A reductions [13][117] Other Important Information - The company raised $330 million in growth capital in October and amended its RV floor plan facility, adding $300 million of runway [9] - Management indicated that the ten-year treasury yield's stabilization could lead to retail finance rate relief for customers, allowing them to afford more units [13][30] Q&A Session Summary Question: What is driving the new ASPs? - Management indicated that ASPs typically start lower at the beginning of the year and rise as the selling season progresses, with a correlation to the ten-year treasury yield affecting retail rates [28][30] Question: How much of the SG&A improvement is from profit growth versus cost savings? - Management noted that some improvement comes from increased gross profit, but significant adjustments to the cost structure were also made to achieve the targeted SG&A improvements [32][34] Question: What feedback has been received from the show season? - Management reported positive feedback from show season, with good foot traffic and lead volume, indicating a healthy demand for RVs [42][46] Question: What is the outlook for retail demand in 2025? - Management anticipates retail demand to be relatively flat year-over-year, estimating around 350,000 retail sales, with wholesale shipments needing to be slightly higher to support restocking [98][102] Question: What are the expectations for new and used gross margins in 2025? - Management expects new gross margins to be in the range of 13.5% to 14% and used gross margins to exceed 19% for the year [85][86] Question: How many dealerships does the company plan to add in 2025? - Management expects to add six to seven dealerships in 2025, focusing on capital allocation and growth opportunities [90][91]