Great Elm Capital (GECC) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q4 2024, the company generated net investment income (NII) of $2.1 million or $0.20 per share, down from $4.1 million or $0.39 per share in Q3 2024, primarily due to uneven cash flows from CLOs [23][24] - The net asset value (NAV) per share decreased to $11.79 as of December 31, 2024, from $12.04 as of September 30, 2024, while total net assets increased to $136 million from $126 million [25][26] - The asset coverage ratio improved to 169.7% from 166.2% in the previous quarter, with total debt outstanding at approximately $195 million [26] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The corporate portfolio grew by 34% in 2024, reaching $240 million, with first lien loans comprising 71% of the portfolio at year-end, up from 67% [29] - The CLO joint venture (JV) has deployed approximately $40 million through December 31, 2024, and is expected to become a significant income source for the company [30][31] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company experienced a total return on stock of nearly 80% over the past two years, outperforming the Cliffwater and S&P BDC indices, with a cumulative return on NAV per share exceeding 30% [14] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to enhance portfolio quality by increasing secured debt positions and focusing on cash-generating assets, with a target return of high teens to 20% from the CLO JV [28][29] - The strategy includes a measured approach to capital deployment, prioritizing credit quality and seeking investments with minimal risk of permanent capital loss [34] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in covering the increased dividend in Q1 2025 and anticipates that NII will improve in subsequent quarters, setting the stage for growth in 2025 [20][55] - The company is optimistic about its ability to generate sustainable returns and deliver increasing value to shareholders in 2025 and beyond [21][41] Other Important Information - The Board of Directors authorized a cash distribution of $0.37 per share for Q1 2025, representing a 5.7% increase from the previous quarter [27] - The company has a $25 million undrawn revolver available to meet remaining commitments for the CLO JV [48] Q&A Session Summary Question: Has the CLO JV been fully funded? - The JV is not fully funded, with some uncommitted capital still to be drawn as of December 31 [45] Question: How will the company raise capital to finish funding the JV? - The company has $8 million in cash and equivalents and a $25 million unfunded revolver available to meet the remaining commitment [47][48] Question: Why is the JV only investing in Apex CLOs? - The current investment mix is focused on Apex due to strategic partnerships, but diversification may occur over time [50] Question: How does spread compression impact CLO cash flows? - Despite spread compression, the company expects high teens to 20% IRRs from CLO cash flow generation [52] Question: What is the outlook for the Maverick Gaming position? - The company evaluates the position quarterly and monitors the situation closely, but specific details cannot be disclosed [56][59] Question: What is the target size or contribution of the CLO JV to total results? - The company targets CLO exposure to grow to around 20% of its asset base over time [62] Question: What is the outlook for the corporate portfolio pipeline? - The company sees a stable pipeline with some opportunities in the secondary market, but immediate repayments are not expected [70]