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Aardvark Therapeutics (AARD) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:37
Summary of Aardvark Therapeutics (AARD) Conference Call Company Overview - **Company**: Aardvark Therapeutics (AARD) - **Focus**: Development of ARTOR 101, a therapeutic targeting appetite regulation through gut hormones Key Points Therapeutic Mechanism and Approach - ARTOR 101 was developed to inhibit bitter taste receptors to suppress appetite, initially theorized to reduce calorie intake by using a bitter compound that is non-toxic [3][4] - The drug stimulates the release of gut peptide hormones such as CCK, GLP-1, GLP-2, and possibly PYY, which act locally and are rapidly degraded [5][6] - The distinction between hunger (pain avoidance pathway) and appetite (pleasure-seeking pathway) is emphasized, with ARTOR 101 allowing users to skip meals without feeling hungry [8][9][12] Indication and Market Opportunity - The primary indication is for Prader-Willi syndrome, characterized by hyperphagia, which severely impacts patients and families [18][19] - Recent approval of Celino Therapeutics' drug VICAT (DCCR) for hyperphagia presents competition, but Aardvark believes their approach directly addresses the cause of hyperphagia, offering a significant market opportunity [20][21] Clinical Trials and Data - A phase two trial showed a drop of nine points on the HQCT scale, indicating a robust signal of efficacy [23][24] - The phase three trial design includes dose escalation and stricter inclusion criteria to ensure a more reliable data package [36][39] - The trial aims for a clinically meaningful change of five points on the HQCT scale, with 90% power requiring 32 patients per arm [46][47] Regulatory Pathway - The FDA indicated that one statistically significant study could suffice for submission as a pivotal trial [54][55] - Ongoing safety data collection from open-label extensions and additional trials in hypothalamic obesity and general obesity [55] Competitive Landscape - Aardvark anticipates that ARTOR 101 will replace rather than combine with existing treatments due to pricing and efficacy concerns [57][58] - The company is aware of the challenges faced by existing treatments, with a significant dropout rate observed in Celino's studies, indicating potential limitations in efficacy [58][59] Future Directions - Plans to explore hypothalamic obesity and general obesity, leveraging the drug's mechanism to enhance CCK signaling to the hypothalamus [61][63] - A trial comparing ARTOR 101 with GLP-1 drugs is planned to assess weight loss potential and rebound effects post-treatment [65][66] Additional Insights - The importance of consistent patient rating for HQCT scale assessments was highlighted, as variability can affect data reliability [38] - The potential for ARTOR 101 to suppress ghrelin levels, which rise with GLP-1 treatments, could provide a unique advantage in managing weight rebound [67] This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from the Aardvark Therapeutics conference call, focusing on the company's innovative approach to appetite regulation and the clinical and market strategies moving forward.
Korro Bio (KRRO) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:35
Summary of Cora Bio Conference Call Company Overview - **Company**: Cora Bio - **Industry**: Biotechnology, specifically focusing on genetic medicines for chronic diseases [1][2] Core Points and Arguments - **Mission and Strategy**: Cora Bio aims to develop genetic medicines targeting complex chronic diseases by leveraging pharmacology and genetic insights. The focus is on creating a toolbox for biological pathway activation that is not available with small molecules [3][4] - **RNA Editing Technology**: The company utilizes RNA editing through oligonucleotides to modify specific genes, aiming for high levels of editing (above 50%) to restore normal protein function in patients [4][5] - **Pipeline Development**: Cora Bio has a three:two:one strategy, planning to advance three candidates into clinical trials across two tissue types. The third indication is expected to target the central nervous system (CNS) for ALS [6][7] - **Regulatory Environment**: The company has engaged with the FDA, receiving orphan drug designation and conducting pre-IND meetings. There is concern about the increasing regulatory bar but confidence in the data driving approval processes [10][12][13] - **Preclinical Data**: Cora Bio presented promising preclinical data showing significant editing efficiency (60-65%) in animal models, which translates well to protein levels in circulation [18][20] - **Lipid Nanoparticle Delivery**: The company uses lipid nanoparticles for drug delivery, which have shown safety in patients with liver conditions. The focus is on optimizing dosing to achieve therapeutic protein levels [21][23][25] Important but Overlooked Content - **Patient Population Insights**: The company discussed the baseline liver function levels in patients with ZZ mutations, indicating that many have normal liver function, which may mitigate concerns about toxicity from lipid nanoparticles [22][23] - **Dosing Strategy**: Cora Bio aims for a dosing frequency of every three to six weeks, with the goal of achieving therapeutic protein levels that are comparable to normal individuals [26] - **Regulatory Pathway Confidence**: The company believes that demonstrating protein levels close to normal and achieving significant editing levels could support discussions for accelerated approval with regulators [39][40] - **Financial Position**: Cora Bio has a cash runway into 2027, with $139 million on the balance sheet and potential milestones from collaborations, indicating a solid financial foundation for ongoing development [47]
Matrix Service Company (MTRX) Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:30
Matrix Service Company (MTRX) Conference Call Summary Company Overview - **Company Name**: Matrix Service Company (MTRX) - **Industry**: Engineering and construction services for the oil and gas, utility, and industrial markets - **Key Executives Present**: CEO John Hewitt, CFO Kevin Cavanaugh, Director of Investor Relations Kelly Smythe - **Core Values**: Emphasis on safety and operational excellence [1][4] Financial Highlights - **Recent Performance**: - Q3 fiscal 2025 revenue increased by 21% to $200 million compared to $166 million in Q3 fiscal 2024 [17] - Gross margin improved to 6.4% from 3.4% year-over-year [17] - Net loss reduced to $3.4 million ($0.12 per share) from $14.6 million ($0.53 per share) in the previous year [18] - Adjusted EBITDA reached breakeven compared to a loss of $10 million in the prior year [18] - **Revenue Guidance**: Projected revenue for fiscal 2025 is between $770 million and $800 million, up from $728 million in fiscal 2024 [8] Backlog and Growth Opportunities - **Backlog**: - Current backlog stands at $1.4 billion, with project awards of $301 million in Q3, resulting in a book-to-bill ratio of 1.5 [13] - Backlog has doubled since fiscal 2022, with a significant portion attributed to storage and terminal solutions [13][14] - **Opportunity Pipeline**: - A robust $7 billion pipeline of project opportunities, with many expected to be bid and awarded in the next 12 to 18 months [15] - Approximately 90% of revenue comes from recurring customers, providing long-term visibility for growth [15] Market Position and Strategy - **Market Focus**: - Specializes in complex infrastructure projects, particularly in LNG, ammonia, and renewable fuels [9][24] - Positioned to capitalize on multiyear spending cycles in energy and industrial markets [5][12] - **Competitive Environment**: - Favorable conditions for larger projects with fewer competitors capable of handling specialty vessel work [28] - Shift from crude-related storage to specialty vessel-related storage has been noted [24] Financial Management and Capital Allocation - **Balance Sheet Strength**: - Zero debt with available liquidity of $247 million [19] - Focus on managing working capital effectively, with net cash provided by operating activities of $31.2 million in Q3 [19] - **Capital Allocation Strategy**: - Emphasis on returning to profitability and considering strategic acquisitions or stock buybacks in the future [34] Long-term Goals and Margin Expectations - **Margin Targets**: - Long-term gross margin targets remain in the range of 10% to 12% [21] - Weighted average margin of current backlog is above 10%, supporting long-term margin expectations [26][27] - **Revenue Growth**: - Anticipated revenue growth to continue, with a target of reaching $250 million per quarter to leverage construction overhead effectively [29][30] Conclusion - **Outlook**: - Matrix Service Company is well-positioned for growth with a strong backlog, disciplined capital allocation, and a focus on high-margin projects [20][21] - **Market Confidence**: - Executives express confidence in the company's ability to achieve long-term targets and navigate the evolving market landscape [41]
Mind Medicine (MindMed) (MNMD) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:05
Summary of MindMed Conference Call Company Overview - **Company**: MindMed - **Key Representatives**: CEO Rob Arrow, CMO Dan Carlin Industry Focus - **Industry**: Psychedelic therapies for psychiatric disorders - **Key Products**: MM120 for Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD) and Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) Core Points and Arguments Phase Three Studies - **Progress**: Phase three studies for MM120 are progressing on track with early enrollment trends being very encouraging [2][4][9] - **Design Efficiency**: The design elements from the phase two program have been largely replicated in phase three, enhancing operational efficiency [4][7] - **Site Capacity**: Increased capacity for research in psychiatry has emerged, allowing for more sites to participate in the studies [7] Recruitment and Operational Efficiency - **Overlap in Trials**: Running GAD and MDD studies at overlapping sites yields exponential benefits in recruitment, as many patients qualify for both diagnoses [9][10] - **Adaptive Study Design**: The phase three studies are powered to detect a five-point difference between treatment and placebo groups, with a conservative approach to expected effect sizes [12][13] Safety and Treatment Criteria - **Open Label Extension**: Criteria for retreatment during the extension phase will focus on symptom severity, with a threshold set at 16 for eligibility [19][20] - **Monitoring Requirements**: The treatment does not require extensive physiological monitoring, which could facilitate broader adoption in clinics [37] Regulatory Engagement - **FDA Interaction**: Ongoing positive engagement with the FDA, with a focus on evolving regulatory frameworks for psychedelic therapies [22][24][26] - **Breakthrough Therapy Designation**: This designation has expedited development and engagement with regulatory bodies [24] Commercialization Strategy - **Chief Commercial Officer**: Appointment of Matt Wiley to enhance commercialization efforts, focusing on payer engagement and infrastructure development [31][32] - **Market Readiness**: There is a growing recognition of the need for psychedelic therapies, with payers indicating willingness to reimburse treatments based on positive data [33][43] Patient Journey and Infrastructure - **Clinic Readiness**: Existing clinics for interventional psychiatry (4,000-5,000) are potential launch targets for MM120, as they already have the necessary infrastructure [37][38] - **Billing Structure**: The treatment will be billed under existing E&M codes, facilitating reimbursement processes [42][43] European Market Considerations - **Focus on US Market**: While the primary focus is on the US, discussions with European regulators are ongoing to explore potential opportunities [45][46] Other Programs - **MDMA for Autism Spectrum Disorder**: Development of a specific enantiomer of MDMA for potential use in treating autism, with plans for early efficacy studies [48][49] Additional Important Points - **Broad Support for Psychedelic Therapies**: There is increasing bipartisan support for psychedelic therapies across various levels of government [26][27] - **Educational Demand**: Significant interest from the psychiatric community in psychedelic treatments, evidenced by dedicated sessions at major conferences [40]
Pyxis Oncology Inc (PYXS) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:05
Summary of Pyxis Oncology Inc (PYXS) 2025 Conference Call Company Overview - **Company**: Pyxis Oncology Inc (PYXS) - **Lead Asset**: MycVo, a first-in-class antibody-drug conjugate (ADC) targeting the extracellular domain b, a splice variant of fibronectin [3][4] Key Points and Arguments Product Development and Mechanism - MycVo was developed by Pfizer and optimized for better potency, stability, and permeability [3] - The ADC utilizes site-specific conjugation chemistry, which is crucial for the quality of the dataset [4] - MycVo targets EDB, which is highly expressed in various solid tumors but minimally in normal tissue, indicating a potential for high specificity and reduced side effects [4] Clinical Data and Efficacy - Initial clinical data from a dose escalation study involving 80 patients across 10 tumor types showed tumor regression in 6 out of 9 tumor types dosed [9] - A notable 50% confirmed response rate was observed in head and neck cancer patients, with some patients having multiple prior lines of therapy [10] - The company is transitioning to cohort expansion to validate initial findings with a larger patient population [9][11] Safety Profile - The safety profile of MycVo is considered well-tolerated, with no drug-related grade five adverse events reported [15] - Only one patient out of 77 discontinued due to adverse effects, indicating a low dose reduction rate [15] - The company compared its safety data favorably against FDA-approved ADCs, showing better or comparable results in various toxicity dimensions [16] Competitive Landscape - The company is aware of competing therapies in the head and neck space, such as those from Maris and Vicara, and aims to demonstrate superior overall response rates (ORR) [18][20] - Current ORR for Maris is 37%, while MycVo has shown a 50% response rate in a heavily pretreated population [20] Future Development Plans - The company is focusing on both monotherapy and combination therapy programs, with plans to generate data from 40 head and neck patients across two arms [28][29] - Preliminary data for the monotherapy is expected in the second half of the year, while combination therapy data is anticipated shortly thereafter [30][32] Research and Mechanism Insights - Ongoing research aims to better understand the mechanism of MycVo, including its direct tumor-killing effects and local immunostimulatory effects [25][27] - The company is also investigating gene signatures to identify responsive patient populations [27] Investigator Enthusiasm - There is significant enthusiasm from the physician community, with waiting lists for patient enrollment in both monotherapy and combination studies [41] - Investigators are optimistic about MycVo's potential to address resistance in various patient populations [41] Other Important Content - The company is constrained by resources but is strategically focusing on head and neck cancer while exploring signals in other tumor types like breast, sarcoma, ovarian, and lung cancers [22][24] - The development program is designed to allow for simultaneous data collection from monotherapy and combination therapy, enhancing the interpretability of results [33] This summary encapsulates the key insights and developments discussed during the Pyxis Oncology conference call, highlighting the company's strategic focus, clinical data, safety profile, and future plans in the oncology space.
Nurix Therapeutics (NRIX) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:05
Summary of Nurix Therapeutics (NRIX) 2025 Conference Call Company Overview - Nurix Therapeutics specializes in targeted protein degradation, utilizing small molecules to degrade proteins via the ubiquitin proteasome system, rather than inhibiting them [3][4] - The company has developed a robust research platform called Dell AI, which includes large DNA encoded libraries for screening various protein targets [3] Key Programs and Developments - **Bexabrutinib**: - A BTK degrader moving into Phase II and Phase III studies in the second half of the year [4] - Target indications include Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia (CLL) and Waldenstrom's macroglobulinemia [6] - Reported an 80% overall response rate (ORR) in heavily pretreated CLL patients [8] - Safety profile appears favorable with no new safety signals reported [10] - **Clinical Trials**: - Plans to initiate pivotal studies this year, focusing on a single-arm, single-agent accelerated approval strategy in third-line settings [15] - A randomized controlled study will also be initiated in the second-line plus setting [16] - Updates on trial designs and control arms expected mid-year [20] Competitive Landscape - BTK degradation is gaining enthusiasm in the investigator community as a new treatment modality, particularly for patients who have failed previous BTK inhibitors [12] - Nurix aims to differentiate its BTK degrader by addressing clinically relevant resistance mutations that arise from chronic treatment with BTK inhibitors [12] Strategic Partnerships - Collaborations with Gilead, Sanofi, and Pfizer are progressing well, with Gilead's IRAK4 program moving into clinical studies [30] - Sanofi is expected to advance the STAT6 development candidate towards IND status within approximately 12 months [30] Pipeline Expansion - Nurix is exploring indications beyond oncology, particularly in autoimmune diseases, with plans to initiate studies in autoimmune hemolytic anemia [27] - The company is cautious about funding these additional programs due to capital market challenges [28] Additional Assets - **NX-2127**: An oral BTK degrader showing promising results in aggressive malignancies, with rapid and long-lasting complete responses reported [38] - **Preclinical Programs**: Nurix is open to additional collaborations and has a pan-mutant BRAF degrader that addresses various mutations and resistance mechanisms [45] Financial Position - Nurix maintains a strong cash position and runway to advance its programs, with revenue contributions from collaborations helping to offset expenses [4] Conclusion - Nurix Therapeutics is at a pivotal point in its development, transitioning from a Phase I to a Phase II/III company with promising data and strategic partnerships that enhance its pipeline and market position [4][24]
Community Health Systems (CYH) 2025 Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 19:05
Summary of Community Health Systems (CYH) Conference Call Industry Overview - The discussion primarily revolves around the healthcare industry, specifically focusing on Community Health Systems (CYH) and its operational and financial outlook amidst changing policies and market dynamics. Key Points and Arguments Policy Changes and DPP Programs - Recent legislative changes are expected to have a neutral to slightly positive impact on DPP (Delivery System Reform Incentive Payment) programs, with no significant pullback anticipated [4][5][9] - The company expects existing DPP programs to continue operating as they are, with potential new programs being introduced in the future [4][5] - Work requirements may lead to increased employment coverage, positively affecting staffing [6] Operational Performance - Q1 was impacted by flu season and a decline in elective surgeries, particularly among commercially insured patients, attributed to economic decisions [10][11] - Inpatient volumes remained strong, but elective surgeries saw a decline, particularly among patients with high copays and deductibles [10][11][12] - Consumer sentiment has not improved significantly, which may lead to a pullback in procedures early in the year, but a rush for care is expected as patients meet their deductibles later [12][13] Labor and Cost Management - Average hourly wages increased by approximately 3.5% in Q1, but overall salaries and wages as a percentage of net revenue did not increase due to productivity gains [17][18] - The company has implemented efficiency initiatives through a new ERP system, improving scheduling and labor management, which has positively impacted nurse retention rates [19][20][21] - Turnover rates for nurses are in the high teens, showing improvement compared to previous years [21] Professional Fees and Supply Costs - Professional fees, particularly for anesthesia and radiology, are expected to increase by 8-12% for the year, with Q1 seeing a 9% increase [26][27] - The company has not experienced tariff-related cost increases and has protections in place through GPO contracts [31][32] - The ERP system enhances visibility and efficiency in purchasing, allowing for better management of supply costs [33] Development and Capital Allocation - The company is expanding its footprint through acquisitions, including 10 urgent care centers in Tucson and plans for additional ASCs (Ambulatory Surgery Centers) [35][36] - Approximately half of the capital will be allocated to growth initiatives, focusing on outpatient services rather than large inpatient projects [36][37] Capital Structure and Leverage - The company exited the year with a leverage ratio of 7.4 times, which improved to 7.1 times after refinancing $700 million in bonds [44][45] - Future divestitures and DPP program approvals are expected to further reduce leverage, potentially reaching the mid-six times by year-end [45][46] Market Dynamics and Future Outlook - The company is in the later stages of its private divestiture program, evaluating market dynamics for potential future sales or acquisitions [50][51] - The focus is on optimizing operations and investments based on changing market conditions and future performance potential [52] Additional Important Insights - The company has seen improvements in nurse recruitment efforts, leveraging its geographic footprint in favorable states for attracting talent [23][24] - There is ongoing exploration of technology solutions in radiology to mitigate cost increases [28] - The approval process for DPP programs in Tennessee is expected to progress positively following recent administrative changes [47][48]
Rayonier Advanced Materials (RYAM) Update / Briefing Transcript
2025-05-21 19:00
Rayonier Advanced Materials (RYAM) Update Summary Company Overview - Rayonier Advanced Materials (RYAM) is undergoing a transformation to separate its high-margin cellulose specialties (CS) business from lower-margin commodity exposure, while also highlighting its emerging biomaterials platform [1][2] Key Points and Arguments - **New Segment Reporting**: The company has updated its reporting structure to better reflect its current operations and to provide clearer visibility into its high-margin segments [1][2][10] - **Long-term Strategy**: Confidence in the long-term strategy and value creation plan remains unchanged despite recent operational challenges and market noise [2][4] - **Operational Challenges**: The recent quarter faced challenges including higher input costs, operational difficulties, and weather-related disruptions, but these do not alter the company's long-term fundamentals [3][4] - **Price Increases**: The CS business outlook is strong, with a mid-single-digit price increase secured for 2025 while maintaining market share [5][16] - **Market Position**: RYAM holds approximately 40% market share in cellulose specialties, producing both hardwoods and softwoods, which provides a competitive advantage [6] - **Maintenance and Efficiency**: Major maintenance shutdowns have been completed, and the company is focusing on efficiency gains and strategic capital deployment to enhance margins [6][8] - **Biomaterials Growth**: The biomaterials platform is positioned to benefit from growing demand for renewable materials, with investments supported by secured green financing [7][8][23] - **EBITDA Targets**: The company aims for an annual EBITDA target of $325 million, with a focus on execution of its strategy [8] Financial Performance - **EBITDA Margins**: The CS segment reported a 23% EBITDA margin, while the emerging biomaterials segment achieved a 29% EBITDA margin, indicating strong profitability in these areas [11][23] - **Sales and Guidance**: For 2025, guidance for the CS business is set between $237 million to $245 million, with earnings expected to be back-end loaded due to operational recovery [18][25] - **Overall Guidance**: The overall EBITDA guidance has been adjusted to $175 million to $185 million, reflecting challenges in non-core segments and tariff impacts [25] Competitive Landscape - **Cellulose Specialties**: This segment is crucial, accounting for 56% of sales volumes, and competes on performance with a long qualification process for products [16][17] - **Commodity Products**: The company is minimizing exposure to lower-margin commodity products, focusing instead on higher-value offerings [20][21] Strategic Initiatives - **Joint Venture with BioNova**: The creation of BioNova aims to accelerate growth in biomaterials while avoiding shareholder dilution, leveraging project-specific funding [29][30] - **Capital Allocation**: RYAM plans to generate $5 million to $15 million in free cash flow for strategic investments, with a focus on maintaining a healthy balance sheet [37][40] Macro Trends and Risks - **Tailwinds**: Strong demand for sustainable materials and favorable green funding environments are expected to benefit RYAM's operations [47] - **Risks**: Trade policy uncertainty, inflation in raw materials, and logistics challenges are potential risks that could impact performance [48][49] Conclusion - RYAM is positioned for growth through strategic focus on high-margin segments and investments in biomaterials, while navigating operational challenges and market dynamics. The company remains committed to executing its long-term strategy and achieving its financial targets [8][51]
Lightwave Logic (LWLG) Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 18:45
Summary of Lightwave Logic (LWLG) Conference Call - May 21, 2025 Company Overview - **Company**: Lightwave Logic (LWLG) - **Industry**: AI Hardware and Electro-Optic Polymers - **Market Size**: AI market valued at over $20 billion, projected to reach $30 billion by 2028 [2][3] Core Technology and Business Model - **Unique Material**: Lightwave Logic has developed electro-optic polymers with unique properties that enhance connectivity and bandwidth in AI data centers [2][3] - **Revenue Streams**: The company generates revenue through material sales and licensing/royalty fees, targeting gross margins exceeding 60% at scale [5][39] - **Modulator Functionality**: The electro-optic polymer acts as a modulator, enabling data transmission over fiber optics at speeds exceeding 100 billion times per second [7][8] Market Challenges and Opportunities - **AI Data Centers**: The need for high-speed interconnections in AI factories creates a demand for advanced optical solutions, with a projected market for optical transceivers exceeding $25 billion by 2028 [13][14] - **Competitive Landscape**: Traditional technologies are reaching their limits, creating an opportunity for Lightwave Logic's unique materials to fill the gap [35][36] - **Total Addressable Market**: The company estimates a serviceable market of $1 to $2.5 billion for its modulators within the broader optical communication market [14][39] Customer Engagement and Development Timeline - **Customer Traction**: The company is targeting multiple design wins by 2028, with a focus on major silicon photonics design houses [15][16] - **Development Cycle**: The typical cycle from customer engagement to revenue generation takes 18 to 24 months, with current progress indicating potential for three to five customers in prototype stage by the end of 2025 [21][22] Financial Position and Capitalization - **Financial Health**: Lightwave Logic has a solid balance sheet with no debt, having invested over $100 million in technology and production capabilities [3][41] - **Operational Expenses**: The company has been burning approximately $20 million annually, with adequate financing in place for the next couple of years [42][43] Investor Considerations - **Market Positioning**: The company is positioned to address a significant industry challenge with a unique material, which is rare in the market [48][49] - **Transparency and Credibility**: The CEO emphasizes the importance of transparency regarding customer traction and progress to rebuild investor confidence [45][49] Conclusion - **Value Proposition**: Lightwave Logic presents a compelling investment opportunity due to its innovative technology, strong market demand, and strategic positioning within the rapidly growing AI infrastructure sector [48][49]
Expion360 (XPON) Conference Transcript
2025-05-21 18:45
Expion360 (XPON) Conference May 21, 2025 01:45 PM ET Speaker0 And we'll take questions, toward the end. Speaker1 Alright. Thank you, Michael, and thank you to Sidoti for hosting. My name is Brian Schaffner. I'm the CEO and interim CFO for XPON three sixty Inc. We're listed on the Nasdaq XPON. Our company has been operating in the clean energy battery storage space since 02/2016. I do encourage you to take a look at our investor portal where you could download the slide deck, listen to our May 15 earnings ca ...