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Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, below expectations, but the company anticipates a progressive recovery throughout the year [5][11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew 3% year over year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while Zenvia Customer Cloud revenues increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][12] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [9][21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25% to 30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role [12][36] - There are ongoing evaluations for divesting non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [12][28] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but believes the current strategy will lead to long-term profitability [20][23] - The company is optimistic about the future, expecting to transition from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model [35][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by R$9 million, or 27%, compared to the same period last year, bringing the G&A to revenues ratio down to 9% [5][10] - The company has implemented strict expense management since the end of 2022, resulting in significant cost savings [10][11] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth of approximately 25% and gross margins close to 70% [16] Question: Are tight margins on the CPaaS side the new level? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end as cost increases from carriers are passed through [20][21] Question: How is the enterprise side performing for both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has seen adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by enterprise customers, which was not the initial focus, indicating a positive shift in strategy [24][25] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 to R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt, leading to considerations for asset divestment [26][28]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, below expectations, but the company anticipates a progressive recovery throughout the year [5][11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew 3% year-over-year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while revenues from Zenvia Customer Cloud increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][12] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [9][21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25%-30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role [12][36] - There are ongoing evaluations for divesting non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [12][26] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but remains confident in the long-term strategy [20][23] - The company aims to transition from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model over the next two to three years [35][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by 27% year-over-year, contributing to a lower G&A to revenues ratio of 9% in the quarter [5][10] - The company has implemented a workforce reduction of approximately 15%, expected to yield cost savings of R$30 million to R$35 million for the full year 2024 [10][12] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth of approximately 25% and gross margins close to 70% [16][15] Question: Are tight margins in CPaaS the new level, or should we expect recovery? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure due to competition, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end [20][21] Question: How are the dynamics for enterprise customers in both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has seen adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by enterprise customers, which was not the initial focus, but is proving successful [24][25] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 million-R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt [26][27]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although this margin remained stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, which was below expectations, but a progressive recovery is anticipated throughout the year [5][12] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew by 3% year over year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while Zenvia Customer Cloud revenues increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][10] - Adjusted gross profit for the SaaS business was up 5% year over year to R$45 million, with adjusted gross margin slightly up by 1 percentage point to 55% [8][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][13] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [10][22] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25% to 30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role in both client delivery and internal operations [13][36] - There is an ongoing evaluation of options to divest non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [13][29] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but believes that the current strategy will lead to long-term profitability recovery [22][25] - The company is confident in achieving a solid foundation for 2026, with expectations of improved profitability levels by the end of the year [12][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by R$9 million, or 27%, compared to the same period last year, bringing the G&A to revenues ratio down to 9% [5][11] - The company has seen a significant reduction in G&A expenses, now at one-third of what it was in the first half of 2022 [11] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth around 25% and gross margin close to 70% [18][19] Question: Are tight margins on the CPaaS side the new level? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end as cost increases from carriers are passed through [22][23] Question: How is the enterprise side performing for both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has been able to retain enterprise customers and is seeing adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by these clients, which was not the initial focus [26][27] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 to R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt, indicating a near break-even position by year-end [28][29] Question: What will the business look like in two to three years? - The company aims to become a leading AI CX SaaS provider, transitioning from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model [36][38]