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Pagaya Technologies .(PGY) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-11-10 14:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Pagaya achieved consistent GAAP net income profitability, with an exit rate of over $120 million on an annual basis [5] - Network volume grew 19% year over year to a record $2.8 billion, with a 31% growth in personal loans [21] - Total revenue and other income rose 36% to a record $350 million, driven by fee revenue growth outpacing volume [21] - Adjusted EBITDA increased 91% to a record $107 million, with margins expanding 9 percentage points to 30.6% [22] - GAAP net income of $23 million represented a significant improvement from a net loss of $67 million in Q3 2024 [23] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Personal loans accounted for a significant portion of growth, with cumulative net losses trending approximately 35%-40% lower than peak levels in Q4 2021 [27] - Point of Sale (POS) volumes grew to about $1.4 billion, up from $1.2 billion last quarter [19] - Auto annualized volumes increased to $2.2 billion, up from $2 billion last quarter [19] - Multi-product partners represent only 30% of Pagaya's partners by number but contribute more than two-thirds of the volume [16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Pagaya issued $1.8 billion in ABS programs across four transactions during the third quarter [29] - The company raised $500 million in corporate debt and expanded its corporate revolver with four new major banks [9] - The demand for Pagaya's assets remained consistent and robust, with strong investor interest across all asset classes [25] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focusing on product-led growth and enhancing its product offerings to solve fundamental challenges facing lenders and consumers [6] - Pagaya aims to become a necessary utility for every lender in the U.S. by deepening partner engagement and expanding its funding network [8] - The strategy includes institutionalizing relationships with lending partners through long-term agreements and product agreements [12] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the company's ability to navigate through economic cycles, emphasizing a disciplined approach to underwriting and risk management [20] - The macroeconomic environment remains stable, with no significant deterioration in credit performance observed [56] - The company expects to maintain steady growth in personal loans and continued expansion in auto and POS products [32] Other Important Information - Pagaya introduced a new reporting line for Gains and Losses on Investments in Loans and Securities to enhance transparency [23] - The company ended the quarter with $265 million in cash and cash equivalents and $888 million in investments in loans and securities [30] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide perspective on credit quality and borrowers' ability to manage their credits? - Management stated that credit performance is well within expectations, reflecting a balanced and conservative underwriting approach [34][35] Question: How has risk retention changed with successful ABS issuances? - The company noted robust demand for origination and a diversified funding strategy, with a current mix of approximately 60-40% between ABS and other structures [41] Question: Can you discuss the differences between Pagaya's B2B model and traditional B2C lenders? - Management highlighted that Pagaya's B2B model allows for more stable growth without the fluctuations associated with B2C marketing spend [44][49] Question: What is the outlook for potential new asset classes? - Management indicated that home improvement credit is gaining traction, but any expansion will be approached with strict criteria to ensure market stability and partner interest [60][63]