Joining me now is Ben Rhodess, former deputy national security adviser under President Obama. He's the co-host of Pod Save the World. He's an MSNBC political contributor.He's the author of After the Fall, the rise of authoritarianism in the world we've made. Ben, that that sounded all very somber, but I actually found it very hopeful. I I think there's a point here, right.that that we are all in the business of being critical and holding to account the government that is doing some remarkably destructive th ...