the scandal that erupted around Kathy Rumler brought about by the fact that many emails between her and Jeffrey Epstein were were made public. I'm curious how you think the firm again as an alum how you think they've handled that. >> I don't know. I don't know what was exchanged. I don't know Kathy.I don't know the situation, but I'll say as a generic matter applied to other situations like the financial crisis where something goes wrong. If you cut and run on somebody in your fund that you think whether yo ...

So I think we're headed for a crisis that will be an order of magnitude greater than08. >> You called out the08 financial crisis while everybody was still partying. I want to know what you saw then and are we seeing the same thing now.>> A lot of the problem that the mainstream was overlooking in the years leading up to the '08 financial crisis. They've been overlooking very similar problems ever since that crisis that we're in a bigger bubble in general now than we were then as far as the excess leverage a ...