Jen, how do we answer the lies, the Democrats. I'm looking at where where we have been and how we and how the Democrats get to a better place. I spent a lot of time yesterday talking to people who think that the Democrats have a bad strategy on their shutdown to just kind of test my own thinking on this and I have come out convinced that picking this healthcare fight is a good idea.First of all, one of the biggest problems Democrats have in fighting, people have believed for years and years and years, ever ...

Joining us now, co-host of the week night here on MSNBC, Simone Sanders Townsen and Puck congressional correspondent Abby Abby Living Livingston is back with us. All right, Abby, Texas is your purview. Texas girl, tell me, um, Democrats want to put pressure on Governor Greg Abbott. They want to put pressure on the Republicans.They tried this in the past. It did not work. Is it going to work this time.I think it's highly unlikely, but they've got to put up a fight. But what I can say is this idea of every ti ...