I think we're all looking ahead to this fifth meeting, this fifth meeting, this fifth summit. Um, very quickly, what was your take on this previous summit that just happened in Madrid. And what are your expectations for the one coming up.>> Well, honestly, Frank, I think, uh, you hit on this a little bit. We have been now after the Madrid round four rounds in and still we've only been talking about sort of tactical short-term issues. None of these dialogues have yet to address the underlying issues that ani ...

He says the relationship between the U.S. and China remains a very strong one. Is that how you see it. I may see a little more, let's say, dynamism in the US-China relationship over strength.But thank you so much for having me. I think it is interesting. I mean, even when we think about how Secretary Bessen described exactly those trade talks, he seemed to say they didn't talk much about trade, that this was mostly about this tick tock framework deal.And even even that alone speaks to, I think, some of the ...