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Hegseth in 2016 vs. now: The messages on illegal military orders don’t match
MSNBC· 2025-12-03 15:48
Legal & Ethical Obligations - Individuals swear an oath to protect and defend the constitution [1] - There should be consequences for abject war crimes [1] - Laws are clear: one can refuse illegal orders [1] - No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or the constitution [1] - The military won't follow unlawful orders from their commander-in-chief [2] Standards & Beliefs - There's a standard and ethos that we are above what enemies would do [2] - Vigilance is critical, whether serving in the CIA, Army, Navy, or Air Force [2] Historical Context - In 2016, Pete Hexith stated that one doesn't have to follow the order of the commander-in-chief [3]
'Deliberately attacking someone is a war crime': Ret. Army Lt. Gen. reacts to Hegseth report
MSNBC· 2025-12-01 16:10
Allegations and Denials - A Washington Post report alleges Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered the killing of everyone on board a suspected drug boat, including those clinging to wreckage [1] - Hegseth denies the report, and President Trump expresses his belief in Hegseth's denial [2] Congressional Concerns and Investigations - Some members of Congress express concern that the alleged actions could be a war crime and are calling for bipartisan investigations [2][4] - Lawmakers are concerned about the legality of the strikes and the legal justifications provided by the administration [6] Potential Legal and Ethical Violations - Concerns raised about a potential "double tap" strike, which could violate the Geneva Convention [7] - Striking against someone wounded and clinging to debris is considered a war crime under the Geneva Convention, the laws of land warfare, and the UN charter [12] - The situation raises concerns about senior civilian leaders potentially urging actions that violate the law of armed conflict [9] Impact on Service Members - The situation places service members in a difficult position, caught between their legal obligations, moral conscience, and the pressure of civilian authority [10] Evidence and Testimony - Film of both the original and secondary strikes should exist [8] - Key individuals who could testify include Secretary Hegseth, members of the Special Operations Command involved, and Admiral Holy [9]
'You can't shoot people who have surrendered': Concerns about possible war crimes grow after strikes
MSNBC· 2025-12-01 12:54
General, a lot to sort through here and yet it really does seem simple. Andy McCarthy, a very conservative legal commentator who has supported Republicans for I mean it's the reason he's a Fox News contributor because he is conservative uh in in his worldview in writing things. But Andy McCarthy puts it two ways.First of all, he says he doesn't think this constitutes war attacking these boats. um and says if it doesn't constitute war, it's murder. But even if you believe, and he says, even for argument's sa ...
'Just following orders' is no excuse: former Army JAG explains the 'illegal order' PSA
MSNBC· 2025-11-26 06:59
What would it do to the military profession for the commander-in-chief to call a retired member of the military back to active duty just so he could court marshall them for saying things he didn't like. Now, that is of course what Trump is currently trying to do to Democratic Senator Mark Kelly. But this isn't even the first time that question is being posed within a Trump White House because former defense secretary Esper had to deal with this question from the commander-in-chief back in 2020 during Trump' ...
BREAKING: Sen. Mark Kelly responds to Pentagon investigation
MSNBC· 2025-11-24 20:22
We first brought this to you last hour. The Pentagon said it was looking into serious allegations of misconduct against Democratic Senator Mark Kelly. This followed he and five others who either for the former military or former intelligence saying to troops that they can defy unlawful orders. Well, now for the first time we are hearing from Senator Kelly. Uh let me bring you in if I can. Um, Michael Michael Schnell, obviously our Capitol Hill reporter. I'm not used to seeing you uh in person at the desk, b ...
BREAKING: Sen. Mark Kelly responds to Pentagon investigation
MSNBC· 2025-11-24 19:41
have other n breaking news right now. Uh we first brought this to you last hour. The Pentagon said it was looking into serious allegations of misconduct against Democratic Senator Mark Kelly. This followed he and five others who either for the former military or former intelligence saying to troops that they can defy unlawful orders. Well, now for the first time we are hearing from Senator Kelly. Uh let me bring you in if I can. Um, Michael Michael Schnell, obviously our Capitol Hill reporter. I'm not used ...
Trump putting service members in ‘absolutely terrible position’: Navy Vet Rep. Goodlander
MSNBC· 2025-11-21 20:01
Political Discourse & Legal Principles - Democratic lawmakers urged military members to not obey unlawful orders, citing their oath to the Constitution [1][4][5] - President Trump responded by accusing the lawmakers of sedition, a statement perceived as a threat [2][3] - The debate centers on the principle that service members are obligated to refuse illegal orders [2][4] - The Congresswoman emphasizes the importance of moral and legal clarity in the current political climate [6] Concerns Regarding Presidential Actions - Concerns exist about the President potentially issuing unlawful orders to the military [12] - The Secretary of Defense's refusal to commit to abiding by a Supreme Court decision raises concerns [15] - The administration is perceived as testing the boundaries of the law, placing service members in a difficult position [14] Reactions & Repercussions - The video evoked a strong reaction from the administration, including criticism from the White House press secretary [9][10] - The White House press secretary suggested the lawmakers' actions were dangerous and potentially punishable by law [10][11] - The Congresswoman reported an increase in political violence and threats since the video's release [7][8]
Gov. Moore: Military justified in ignoring Trump's 'unlawful' orders
MSNBC· 2025-10-06 23:03
Military Law & Order - Military members swear to uphold the US Constitution and follow lawful orders from the commander-in-chief [1] - The Maryland National Guard operates under the commander-in-chief's lawful orders [1] - Confidence exists among Maryland National Guard members that orders received will be lawful [2] - Concerns arise when orders from the commander-in-chief appear unlawful, potentially violating the US Constitution and US law [3] - Such unlawful orders place military members in a difficult position [5] Leadership & Qualification - Criticism is directed at the Secretary of Defense's qualifications [4] - The focus shifts from mere disagreement with leadership to concerns about unlawful instructions given to the military [5] Ethical Dilemma - Military personnel face a struggle when orders received are perceived as unlawful [2] - The situation is described as "tricky" due to the conflict between following orders and upholding the Constitution [4]