Now, my next guest knows all about artistic disscent and the power of art. Jennifer Egan is a Pulitzer Prizewinning novelist. She's won many awards, books you've probably heard of or seen people reading on the subway or in the park.One of my favorites, A Visit from the Goon Squad, The Candy House was top of the bestseller list. Manhattan Beach was beloved. And over in the artistic political universe, she led Pen America in the first Trump term in 2018.They even filed cases against Trump trying to defend fre ...

there's a kind of chill that spreads. So, as people begin to worry, what if I'm investigated. What if I'm arrested.Uh what if my company gets in trouble. What if my university is singled out. Uh what if my television show is is thrown off the air.Then people begin to self censor. And so you hear less and less clarity about what's going on. You see more and more people fall silent.And it's not as if there's a single date or a moment. there's just a slow slide. Uh and I should say in this America is not excep ...