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Deutsche Bank AG(DB) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
Deutsche Bank AGDeutsche Bank AG(US:DB)2025-07-25 14:02

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Deutsche Bank reported a pre-provision profit of EUR 6.2 billion for the first half of 2025, nearly double the same period in 2024 [5] - Net commission and fee income increased by 4% year on year, aligning with the goal to boost revenues from fee-based and capital-light businesses [5] - Net interest income (NII) across key banking book segments was EUR 3.4 billion, up 5% quarter on quarter, with a full-year NII guidance of EUR 13.6 billion [10][11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - All four business divisions delivered double-digit returns in the first half of 2025, with the Corporate Bank positioned to capitalize on investment opportunities in Germany and Europe [6][7] - The Investment Bank is focused on consolidating its position in the European FICC franchise, while the Private Bank is seeing improvements in returns due to transformation efforts [7][8] - Asset Management has over EUR 1 trillion in assets under management, positioning it well for both German and European investors [8] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Loan growth of EUR 3 billion was observed in the second quarter, with a strong underlying quality of the loan book [12] - Deposits grew by EUR 4 billion during the second quarter, reflecting a stable and high-quality deposit portfolio [13][14] - The liquidity coverage ratio increased to 136%, driven by lower net cash outflows, indicating a strong liquidity position [14][15] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Deutsche Bank is on track to meet its 2025 financial targets, with a compound annual growth rate of 5.9% since 2021 [9] - The bank aims to achieve EUR 2.5 billion in operational efficiencies, with EUR 2.2 billion already delivered or expected [9] - The focus remains on self-help and improving internal operations before considering mergers and acquisitions [36][38] Management Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the bank's trajectory towards delivering a return on tangible equity (RoTE) of above 10% and a cost-income ratio below 65% [24] - Despite uncertainties in the macroeconomic environment, a reduction in provisioning levels is anticipated in the second half of the year [24] - The bank's strong capital position and second-quarter performance have been recognized by rating upgrades from Morningstar DBRS and Fitch [25] Other Important Information - The CET1 ratio improved to 14.2%, up 42 basis points sequentially, reflecting strong earnings and capital efficiency measures [17][18] - The bank plans to issue between EUR 15 billion and EUR 20 billion to meet 2025 funding requirements, with EUR 10.9 billion already issued year to date [21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Capital distribution policy and CET1 ratio - Management confirmed that the distribution policy remains unchanged, intending to repatriate 50% of earnings via dividends and share buybacks, with a CET1 ratio above 14% allowing for additional distributions [29][30] Question: Ratings direction and expectations - Management expressed optimism about further positive rating revisions from other agencies, following upgrades from Morningstar DBRS and Fitch [31][32] Question: Involvement in M&A activities - Management reiterated a focus on internal improvements before considering M&A, acknowledging mixed conditions for cross-border mergers in Europe [36][38] Question: U.S. commercial real estate (CRE) provisions - Management indicated a reduction in the CRE portfolio due to paydowns and charge-offs, with cumulative credit loss allowances currently at EUR 700 million [49][50] Question: Investment banking pipeline and NDFI lending - Management noted a strong investment banking pipeline, particularly in M&A and equity transactions, while also addressing lending to alternative asset managers [57][62]