Two Harbors Investment (TWO) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company recorded a comprehensive loss of $80.2 million, or $0.77 per share, including a litigation settlement expense of $175.1 million, which equates to $1.68 per share [16][17] - The return on book value was -0.63% including the litigation expense, while it would have been +7.6% excluding the expense [16] - Total economic return for the third quarter was -6.3%, and +7.6% without the litigation expense [9] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The RMBS portfolio decreased from $11.4 billion to $10.9 billion due to agency securities sales [6] - The company funded $49 million of UPB in first and second liens during the third quarter, with an additional $52 million UPB in the origination pipeline at quarter-end [12] - The company brokered $60 million UPB in second liens, a significant increase from $44 million in Q2 [12] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Fed cut rates by 25 basis points in September, marking the first cut since November 2024, which positively impacted equity markets, with the S&P 500 up almost 8% by quarter-end [10] - The nominal spread for current coupon RMBS tightened by 26 basis points to 145 basis points to the swap curve [22] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to enhance and grow its servicing and origination activities while focusing on a MSR-focused investment strategy [9] - The company plans to redeem $262 million of outstanding convertible notes to reduce structural leverage to historical levels [8] - The company is optimistic about the investment opportunities available in the market, particularly in the MSR and MBS portfolio [15] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the company's liquidity and risk metrics following the litigation settlement [5] - The company sees no reason for its stock to trade at an 11% discount to book value, given the quality of its assets and the uncertainty created by the litigation now resolved [13] - Management highlighted the importance of technology investments to maintain growth in the direct-to-consumer origination platform [69] Other Important Information - The company has established a significant relationship with a new sub-servicing client, bringing the total sub-servicing UPB to approximately $40 billion [11] - The company is focused on improving efficiencies and lowering costs in light of the recent settlement payments [9] Q&A Session Summary Question: What are the key drivers of the increase in the EAD in the third quarter relative to the second quarter? - The increase in EAD is attributed to the decrease in financing costs, allowing asset yields to remain constant [34] Question: Can you give us an update on your book value quarter to date? - The book value was up about 1% as of last Friday [37] Question: Can you talk about the various risk metrics as you think about the size of the portfolio? - The company considers multiple risk metrics, including returns available on asset classes and the ideal mix in the current market context [41][43] Question: Does the return potential slide factor in potential cost savings? - The return potential slide reflects current costs, and there is potential upside as cost savings are realized [44][46] Question: Can you help us understand the strategy behind the coupon positioning? - The coupon exposure is managed based on how rates move and the current coupon's position relative to risk exposures [51][52] Question: Can you give us color on growth opportunities in the sub-servicing business? - The company is focused on developing relationships and attracting clients dissatisfied with their current sub-servicers [60] Question: How do you see MSR valuations responding to a further drop in interest rates? - MSR valuations are expected to remain stable, with strong demand for low gross WAC MSR despite potential declines in prices [87][88] Question: What is the valuation of the flow MSRs that you're originating versus your existing portfolio? - The price multiple for the entire portfolio is 5.8x, with variations based on coupon rates [99]