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an S.A.(CSAN) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
an S.A.an S.A.(US:CSAN)2025-11-17 15:00

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported an EBITDA under management of BRL 7.4 billion, which is approximately BRL 1 billion lower than in 2024, primarily impacted by the results of MOVE, Haddad, and Raizen [3][4] - The net income for the period was negative BRL 1.2 billion, attributed to lower EBITDA and higher financial expenses [3] - Net debt remained relatively stable, slightly increasing compared to Q2 2025, with a debt service coverage ratio of one time [4][9] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Rumo experienced an increase in transported volumes but a reduction in average tariffs, resulting in a 4% increase in EBITDA [5] - Compass saw higher distributed volumes and an increase in the residential segment's participation, leading to a 6% growth in EBITDA [5] - Moove reported stable volumes compared to 2024, with a 13% increase in volume sold compared to Q2 2025, although EBITDA was 7% lower [6] - Raizen's sugarcane crushing increased due to favorable weather conditions, but lower sugar prices affected EBITDA [8] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The fuel distribution segment in Raizen showed healthy margins due to operations against irregular players, translating into higher profitability [8] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to improve its capital structure and has been exploring divestment options while preserving the quality of its portfolio [12][16] - The focus will be on integrating new shareholders and identifying growth options without pressure to sell assets at unfavorable prices [17][36] - The holding company will no longer serve as a vehicle for future investments, emphasizing efficiency and streamlining operations [36] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the future of the company following recent capital increases and the integration of new shareholders [14][15] - There is a sense of urgency to resolve capital structure challenges, particularly for Raizen, with expectations for solutions within six months rather than years [41][42] Other Important Information - The company has received approximately BRL 500 million in insurance proceeds related to the reconstruction of the Rio de Janeiro plant [6][40] - Significant changes in the board of directors were made in line with new shareholders' contributions, aimed at streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency [27][28] Q&A Session Summary Question: What was the allocation rationale in terms of supply and the outcome? - The company prioritized existing shareholders during the capital offerings, with significant demand indicating market confidence in the company's future [20][21] Question: What is the strategy considering the subsidiary companies, particularly Raizen? - Management acknowledged the need for urgent solutions for Raizen's capital structure and ongoing discussions with Shell to find a resolution [22][23][24] Question: Can you provide context on the changes in directors and their impact on Raizen? - Changes in the board were a consequence of new partners coming in, which are expected to positively influence the company's future [26] Question: What is the role of the holding company moving forward? - The holding company will focus on creating efficiencies and will not be used as a leveraging tool for future growth [36] Question: What is the timeline for resolving investments and the company's portfolio? - Management indicated a sense of urgency to resolve capital structure issues, with no need for fire sales of assets, focusing instead on strategic divestments [41][42] Question: Can you comment on the streamlining measures at the Holdco level? - The company has mapped a process to streamline operations, aiming for a significant reduction in annual expenses [44] Question: What is the divestment agenda and order of priority? - Radar is identified as the first asset for potential divestment, with further decisions based on capital allocation priorities [46]