Bioventus (BVS) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Second quarter revenue was $148 million, reflecting a 2% decrease compared to 2024, but organic growth was 6% when adjusting for the divestiture of the Advanced Rehabilitation business [19][21] - Adjusted earnings per share increased by 31% to $0.21, while adjusted EBITDA margin was 23%, indicating strong gross margin stability [8][22] - Adjusted net income rose 45% to $18 million, driven by lower interest expenses and reduced employee equity-based compensation [23] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Surgical Solutions revenue grew by 11%, with strong double-digit growth in Ultrasonics [21] - Restorative Therapies experienced a 32% decrease in revenue due to the divestiture, but organic growth was 11% when excluding this impact [22] - Pain Treatments revenue increased by 1%, with organic growth estimated at 4% to 5% [21][36] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - International segment revenue increased by 12%, with organic growth climbing 24% [22] - The pain treatment market is expected to grow above 20% annually in the US, with a total addressable market of approximately $2 billion [12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to drive above-market revenue growth, expand profitability, and accelerate free cash flow generation [8][18] - Focus on expanding the PNS market with the recent clearance of StimTrial and Telesman, which are expected to generate significant revenue [12][15] - Plans for a limited commercial release of new products in the third quarter, with broader rollout expected in early 2026 [15][66] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in achieving full-year revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance, despite challenges from foreign exchange and tariffs [28][29] - The company is well-positioned for sustained growth, with expectations for cash flow from operations to nearly double compared to the previous year [24][25] Other Important Information - The company was recognized as one of the top 10 companies to work for in North Carolina, highlighting positive employee engagement [18] - Recent refinancing of credit facilities improved liquidity and reduced annual interest expenses [27] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you remind us what growth would have been year over year on an organic basis if not for that favorable rebate adjustment in 2Q 2024? - Management indicated that normalized growth would be around 4% to 5% [32][33] Question: What was the volume growth for Duralane in the quarter? - Management noted that Duralane continues to be a strong driver, with performance slightly above market growth in the mid-single digits [36] Question: What was BGS growth in the quarter? - BGS experienced high single-digit growth in the second quarter, with expectations for continued acceleration [40][42] Question: Can you provide more color on Exagen's strength in the quarter? - Growth in Exagen was attributed to improved commercial effectiveness and stronger execution from the sales team [48][50] Question: What are the expectations for R&D spending in the future? - R&D investment is expected to ramp up as the company focuses on expanding its Ultrasonics and PNS platforms [56][58] Question: What drove the increase in tariff expectations? - The expected tariff impact increased to approximately $3 million, primarily affecting the back half of the year [67][68]
Bain Capital Specialty Finance(BCSF) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Q2 net investment income per share was $0.47, representing an annualized yield on book value of 10.7%, exceeding regular dividend payout by 12% [6][7] - Q2 earnings per share were $0.37, reflecting an annualized return on book value of 8.3% [7] - Net asset value per share was $17.56, down $0.08 from the prior quarter [7][24] - Total investment income increased to $71 million from $66.8 million in the previous quarter [22] - Net investment income for the quarter was $30.6 million, down from $32.1 million in the prior quarter [24] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - New investment fundings during Q2 totaled $530 million, with $242 million into 12 new companies and $273 million into 81 existing companies [15] - 93% of new fundings were in first lien senior secured loans, indicating a focus on downside management [16] - The investment portfolio at fair value was approximately $2.5 billion across 185 portfolio companies [18] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Gross originations were $530 million, up 73% year over year [9] - The weighted average spread of new originations was over 580 basis points [11] - 62% of outstanding debt was in floating rate debt, positioning the company favorably in a higher interest rate environment [25] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company remains focused on investing in the middle market to drive attractive returns for investors [28] - The strategy includes leveraging Bain Capital's platform advantage to source investment opportunities [10] - The company aims to maintain a disciplined underwriting approach while navigating competitive market conditions [11] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted increased market volatility due to higher tariffs but observed a return to normalized deal volume [8] - The company is well-positioned to navigate the current market environment despite spread compression [11] - Dividend coverage remains strong, with a focus on maintaining an attractive dividend policy [13] Other Important Information - The company declared a third-quarter dividend of $0.42 per share, with total dividends for the third quarter amounting to $0.45 per share [7] - Non-accrual investments represented 1.7% of the total investment portfolio, with a slight uptick due to one new addition [12][21] Q&A Session Summary Question: What drove the decision to refinance the 2019 middle market securitization? - The refinancing was driven by attractive pricing opportunities in the market, allowing the company to issue at a lower cost compared to the previous securitization [31][32] Question: How would you characterize the origination activity for the quarter? - The activity was roughly 50% new company originations and 50% existing company add-ons, driven by strong relationships and expanded outreach in the middle market [34][35] Question: Can those investments eventually be sold down into the JVs? - Yes, the investments are primarily first lien loans that fit well into the joint ventures if the company decides to move them in future quarters [36]
Adient(ADNT) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported adjusted EBITDA of $226 million, up 12% year-on-year, with EBITDA margins expanding by 60 basis points to 6% [33][34] - Consolidated sales reached approximately $3.7 billion, an increase of $25 million compared to Q3 fiscal year 2024, driven by $84 million of favorable FX [34][35] - Adjusted net income was $38 million, or $0.45 per share [34] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - In The Americas, improved business performance of $20 million was primarily driven by favorable commercial actions and lower input costs, despite lower net engineering recoveries [39] - EMEA saw a positive business performance of approximately $6 million, offset by lower volume and mix [40] - Asia's results improved year-on-year by $12 million, with EBITDA margin expanding by 150 basis points [41] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Americas outperformed industry volumes, while EMEA and Asia faced ongoing customer volume and mix headwinds [8][15] - Sales in China underperformed industry production, primarily due to lower volumes from traditional luxury OEM customers [35][41] - The company expects to capitalize on growth opportunities with local China OEMs, despite near-term pressure on revenue from China [18][19] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on leveraging its competitive advantages in innovation and operational execution to win new business, particularly in the context of U.S. onshoring [7][20] - The management emphasized a balanced capital allocation plan, including share repurchases and maintaining a strong cash balance [14][31] - The company anticipates significant U.S. onshoring opportunities with minimal incremental investment, aiming to capture a share of the estimated 600,000 units of annual vehicles potentially moving to the U.S. [23][30] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the company's ability to manage tariff impacts, with net tariff expenses expected to decrease in Q4 [16][40] - The company is optimistic about achieving mid-single-digit EBITDA margins in EMEA over the next few years, driven by restructuring benefits and new business awards [17][40] - The management team believes that strong business performance will continue into 2026, despite uncertainties related to production volumes [60][61] Other Important Information - The company generated strong free cash flow of $115 million in Q3, maintaining a strong cash balance of $860 million and ample liquidity of $1.7 billion [14][44] - The company repurchased $50 million of its stock in Q3, bringing total repurchases for the fiscal year to $75 million, or approximately 4% of outstanding shares [14][44] Q&A Session Summary Question: Clarification on Nissan business and onshoring opportunity - Management confirmed that the Nissan business moving to the U.S. represents incremental revenue, estimated between $150 million to $200 million starting in 2026 [51][52] Question: Guidance on business performance into 2026 - Management indicated that business performance is expected to be a positive factor heading into 2026, with production volumes being a key variable [60][61] Question: Guidance for sales and EBITDA - Management explained that the increase in sales guidance was primarily due to FX impacts, which have a low margin pull-through effect [64] Question: Competitive advantage from local footprint - Management highlighted that the cost of establishing a JIT plant in the U.S. ranges from $20 million to $30 million, emphasizing the importance of customer relationships and delivery track record [83][84] Question: Margin performance and restructuring in Europe - Management indicated that achieving mid-single-digit EBITDA margins in Europe will require stability in production and successful execution of restructuring plans over the next few years [106][107]
EyePoint Pharmaceuticals(EYPT) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q2 2025, total net revenue was $5.3 million, down from $9.5 million in Q2 2024, primarily due to lower recognition of deferred revenue related to the YUTIQ product rights [21][22] - Operating expenses increased to $67.6 million from $44 million in the prior year, driven by higher clinical trial costs [22] - Net loss for the quarter was $59.4 million, or $0.85 per share, compared to a net loss of $30.8 million, or $0.58 per share, in the prior year [22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company has transitioned from specialty pharma to a clinical-stage biopharmaceutical company, focusing on the development of Duravu for wet AMD and DME [7][8] - Enrollment for the Phase III trials (Lugano and Lucia) was completed ahead of schedule, with over 800 patients enrolled [8][15] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The wet AMD market is valued at $10 billion and is currently dominated by anti-VEGF biologics [9][10] - Duravu aims to address the need for improved durability in treatment, with a proposed six-month dosing interval compared to the average two-month interval for current treatments [14][10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on advancing Duravu as a new treatment paradigm in retinal diseases, with plans for an NDA filing anticipated following positive Phase III data [18][24] - A state-of-the-art cGMP manufacturing facility has been established to support commercial production of Duravu [8][17] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the upcoming top-line data for the Phase III trials, expected in mid-2026, and emphasized the importance of a differentiated product profile for Duravu [16][24] - The company is well-capitalized, with cash and investments totaling $256 million, expected to support operations into 2027 [20][22] Other Important Information - The company has eliminated debt and extended its cash runway, positioning itself favorably for future developments [8][20] - Positive feedback from the retina community was noted, highlighting excitement for the potential of Duravu [88] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you speak to the overall trial conduct of the pivotal studies in wet AMD? - The company has a strong phase III study experience and is focused on ensuring protocol adherence and patient safety during the trial conduct [28][30] Question: What are the expectations regarding the cadence of safety updates? - Periodic updates on safety will be provided, although a specific cadence has not been established yet [39] Question: Can you elaborate on the rescue criteria for the trials? - The rescue criteria are designed to ensure that only patients who truly need additional treatment are rescued, based on specific clinical indicators [42][44] Question: What is the baseline division between naive and previously treated patients? - The target was a 75-25% ratio of naive to previously treated patients, which was successfully achieved [50] Question: What feedback has been received from the physician community regarding the ASRS? - Positive feedback was received, with physicians expressing excitement about the potential of Duravu and its new mechanism of action [88] Question: Will there be another data safety monitoring committee meeting before the first data readout? - Yes, there will be at least two data safety monitoring committee meetings before the top-line results [99]
Lexicon Pharmaceuticals(LXRX) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q2 2025, Lexicon Pharmaceuticals reported revenues of $28.9 million, a significant increase from $1.6 million in Q2 2024, primarily driven by $27.5 million in licensing revenue from Novo Nordisk [24] - The net income for Q2 2025 was $3.3 million, or $0.01 per share, compared to a net loss of $53.4 million, or $0.17 per share, in the same period of 2024 [25] - Total operating expenses decreased by $31.9 million quarter over quarter, reflecting the company's strategic repositioning as an R&D-focused entity [27] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Research and development expenses for Q2 2025 decreased to $15.7 million from $17.6 million in Q2 2024, mainly due to lower external research expenses on the PROGRESS clinical trial [25] - Selling, general, and administrative expenses decreased to $9.4 million in Q2 2025 from $39.2 million in 2024, attributed to reduced marketing efforts for MPEFA [25] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company is actively pursuing regulatory approvals for sotagliflozin in various international markets, including the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and several Southeast Asian countries [31] - The ongoing Phase III SONATA study for sotagliflozin is the only registrational trial currently evaluating treatment in both obstructive and non-obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (HCM) [20] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Lexicon is focused on advancing its innovative portfolio of potential medicines, with a strategic pivot towards R&D that has taken shape in 2025 [6] - The company aims to maximize the potential of its drug candidates through partnerships, particularly with Novo Nordisk for LX9851 and Viatris for sotagliflozin [32] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the progress of their R&D programs and the potential for pilavapitan to become a transformative therapy for patients with neuropathic pain [14] - The company anticipates presenting full progress data for pilavapitan in Q3 2025 and is preparing for an end-of-Phase II meeting [33] Other Important Information - The company ended Q2 2025 with $168 million in cash and short-term investments, down from $238 million at the end of 2024 [26] - Lexicon expects to recognize the remaining $17.5 million of licensing revenue from the Novo agreement in the second half of 2025 [26] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you walk us through the SOTA CROSS trial and its design? - Management explained that the SOTA CROSS trial is designed to evaluate therapeutic options for non-obstructive HCM, with a crossover design allowing patients to serve as their own control [42] Question: How does the company plan to take advantage of the push for non-opioid pain medications? - Management highlighted their engagement with legislative efforts supporting non-opioid medications and expressed optimism about the potential for pilavapitan in this context [48] Question: What is Novo's plan for the Phase I study in obesity? - Management indicated that Novo is expected to vigorously pursue the Phase I program for LX9851, with a focus on oral and combination therapies [56] Question: How does the recent Vertex announcement impact confidence in the pain market? - Management expressed increased confidence in their own neuropathic pain program, citing successful Phase II results with pilavapitan [72] Question: Will an echo be required for patients if sotagliflozin is approved? - Management stated that while an echo will be part of the study protocol, it may not be a major impediment for patient suitability if approved [78]
inTEST (INTT) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Revenue for Q2 2025 was $28.1 million, with gross margins above 42% [7][13] - Net loss for the quarter was $500,000, or a loss of $0.04 per diluted share, while adjusted net earnings were $400,000, or a gain of $0.03 per diluted share [16] - Adjusted EBITDA for Q2 was $1.3 million [16] - Total debt was approximately $10.1 million at quarter end, reduced by $4.9 million year-to-date [17] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Orders for the quarter were nearly $28 million, reflecting a 10% sequential growth [10] - Auto EV demand increased by 40% to $7.1 million, while Life Sciences more than doubled to $2.9 million [10] - Safety and Security grew 74% to $1.2 million, but semi orders decreased by 24% sequentially [10] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Demand in the auto EV market increased significantly, while the semi market remained weak with a year-over-year decline of $3.7 million [11] - Backlog at June 30 was $37.9 million, flat over the last two quarters but down $9.8 million from the prior year [11] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on driving innovation, market diversification, and geographic expansion as part of its Vision 2030 strategy [8][21] - The expansion of the manufacturing facility in Malaysia is expected to enhance market competitiveness and drive growth [9][21] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted ongoing global economic and tariff uncertainties affecting customer investment in capital projects [6][21] - The customer pipeline is at an all-time high, indicating optimism for future capital spending [20][21] Other Important Information - The company has implemented cost-saving measures, including headcount reductions and operational restructuring, to improve long-term profitability [15][48] - The Malaysian facility is expected to generate $10 million to $15 million in revenue over time, supporting the Asian market [28][54] Q&A Session Summary Question: Is the recent defense order from a new customer? - The defense order is from an existing customer, following previous deliveries of prototype units [24][25] Question: How have customer order patterns been in the first six weeks of the quarter? - Order patterns have shown improvement, particularly in the automotive industry and defense space [26][27] Question: What is the capacity of the Malaysian facility? - The Malaysian facility is anticipated to support $10 million to $15 million in revenue over time [28] Question: Were the engineering challenges in Q1 related to defense? - The engineering challenges were primarily in industrial applications, not defense [31] Question: What are the expectations for the semi market in 2026? - A rebound in the semi market is expected in 2026, but the timing is still uncertain [33] Question: What is the outlook for life sciences orders? - There is a strong pipeline for continued orders in life sciences, driven by medical device electronics [35] Question: What are the leading indicators for order activity? - New products and a high customer pipeline are seen as positive indicators for future order activity [42][44] Question: How is the company managing operating expenses? - The company has reduced headcount and discretionary spending, with some savings expected to be temporary [46][48] Question: How will the Malaysian operations impact existing facilities? - The Malaysian facility aims to drive growth without significantly shifting operations from the U.S. [52][54]
Taboola.com(TBLA) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported Q2 revenues of $465 million, representing a 9% year-over-year growth [9] - Gross profit was $172 million, a 15% increase compared to the previous year [10] - Adjusted EBITDA reached $45 million, reflecting a 21% year-over-year growth with a significant margin expansion [10][26] - Free cash flow grew by 31% year-over-year to $34 million, enabling the company to repurchase approximately $100 million worth of stock in the quarter [10][26] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The number of scaled advertisers increased by nearly 9%, indicating strong retention and growth among existing clients [11] - Average revenue per scaled advertiser rose by about 2% year-over-year [22] - The growth in gross profit was driven by higher advertising spend and margin expansion on certain digital publishers [23] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company expects nearly $2 billion in gross revenue for 2025, with approximately $700 million in gross profit [7] - The performance advertising market is estimated to be a $55 billion opportunity, with the company positioned to capture a significant share [8] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focusing on its new performance advertising platform, Realize, which aims to expand its reach beyond native advertising into display and social [12] - The strategy includes attracting new advertisers and increasing budgets from existing clients, particularly in the performance advertising segment [19] - The company is also working on adding new open web partners to enhance its supply and data offerings [15] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the business's momentum and raised full-year guidance across all key metrics [5][30] - The company noted minimal impact from recent changes in search dynamics driven by LLM, maintaining stable performance [16][18] - Management highlighted the potential for growth in the open web, particularly as advertisers seek alternatives to search and social platforms [19] Other Important Information - The board approved an additional $200 million for the share repurchase program, reflecting confidence in the long-term value of the business [10][29] - The company ended Q2 with a net cash balance of $27.2 million and cash equivalents totaling $115.2 million [28] Q&A Session Summary Question: What is the roadmap to return to double-digit growth? - Management indicated that the path to double-digit growth relies on the success of Realize in capturing more budgets from social and display advertising [34][35] Question: Why is the average revenue per scaled advertiser only increasing by 2%? - Management explained that while the number of scaled advertisers is growing, new advertisers typically start at lower spend levels, which affects the average revenue [46][47] Question: How does the company view the impact of generative AI on the open web? - Management noted minimal impact from LLM-driven changes and highlighted the potential for new traffic opportunities on publisher sites [54][56][59] Question: What is the current state of the tariff environment and its impact on advertising spend? - Management stated that the impact from China is not material, accounting for less than 1% of revenue, and they do not expect significant recovery in the second half of the year [77][78] Question: What is the geographic split of the company's business? - The company is approximately 50% U.S. based but is well diversified globally, with many advertisers spending across multiple regions [95] Question: Why prioritize share buybacks over paying down debt? - Management explained that they are using the revolving credit facility to maintain cash neutrality while aggressively repurchasing shares, which they believe is a capital-efficient strategy [60][62]
Wolverine World Wide(WWW) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Revenue for the second quarter was $474 million, exceeding the high end of the outlook of $450 million, driven by stronger performance in both active and workgroups [31] - Ongoing revenue increased by 11.6% compared to the prior year, with a constant currency growth of 10.4% [32] - Adjusted diluted earnings per share rose to $0.35 from $0.15 in the prior year, reflecting strong revenue growth and gross margin expansion [38] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Saucony achieved a revenue increase of 42% in the quarter, with broad-based growth across regions and channels [34] - Merrell grew by 11%, marking its fourth consecutive quarter of growth, supported by strong wholesale performance [36] - Sweaty Betty's revenue declined by 6%, but this was an improvement compared to the first quarter, indicating progress in reestablishing the brand's premium positioning [36] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Global wholesale revenue was the primary driver of performance, with international growth slightly outpacing the U.S. [32] - The active group revenue increased by 16% compared to the prior year, led by Saucony and Merrell [33] - The workgroup revenue grew by 2% compared to the prior year, indicating a sequential improvement [36] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on becoming a consumer-obsessed brand builder, emphasizing innovative and trend-right products [47] - A new brand building playbook has been effective, leading to improved revenue trends for five consecutive quarters [7] - The company is navigating a volatile macro environment and has taken actions to mitigate the impact of tariffs [7][40] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about the company's positioning to navigate ongoing changes in the global marketplace [7] - The outlook for the second half of the year anticipates moderated year-over-year growth compared to the first half due to timing shifts normalizing [43] - The company expects to continue seeing benefits from pricing discipline and cost initiatives, with gross margin anticipated to remain strong [58] Other Important Information - The company has made significant progress in reducing net debt, which was $568 million at the end of the second quarter, down 15% compared to the previous year [39] - The company is implementing strategic price increases on select products to offset tariff-related headwinds while maintaining investment in brand building [41] Q&A Session Summary Question: Follow-up on Saucony's growth in the second half - Management highlighted broad-based growth in both performance and lifestyle segments, driven by a reinvigorated product pipeline and effective storytelling [52][54] Question: Sustainability of current gross margin levels - Management expressed confidence in sustaining gross margins at current levels due to improved pricing discipline and cost initiatives [58][59] Question: Go-to-market strategy for DTC growth - Management acknowledged the need for improvement in the DTC channel and emphasized a focus on consistent messaging and innovative product flow [63][66] Question: Saucony's performance in newly expanded doors - Management indicated a strong focus on sell-through rates and responsible growth as they lap new door expansions [67][70] Question: Merrill's growth momentum and future outlook - Management noted that Merrill has gained market share and is well-positioned for future growth due to new product introductions and thoughtful distribution strategies [81] Question: Operating cash flow and leverage expectations - Management confirmed a focus on sustainable long-term profitable growth, with a bank-defined leverage of 2.9 times at the end of the second quarter, down from 3.9 times a year ago [88]
Amentum Holdings, Inc.(AMTM) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Amentum Holdings (AMTM) Q3 2025 Earnings Call August 06, 2025 08:30 AM ET Speaker0Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Good morning, and welcome to Lumentum's Third Quarter Fiscal Year twenty twenty five Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, all participants are in listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session and instructions will be provided at that time.I would now like to turn the call over to Nathan Rutledge ...
Rockwell Automation(ROK) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-06 13:30
Rockwell Automation (ROK) Q3 2025 Earnings Call August 06, 2025 08:30 AM ET Speaker0Thank you for holding, and welcome to Rockwell Automation's Quarterly Conference Call. I need to remind everybody that today's conference call is being recorded. Later in the call, we will open up the lines for questions. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Eidhana Zellner, Head of Investor Relations and Market Strategy. Ms.Zellner, please go ahead.Speaker1Thank you, Julianne. Good morning, and thank you for ...