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Annaly(NLY) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-24 14:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The book value per share decreased by 3% from the prior quarter to $18.45, while earnings available for distribution per share increased by $0.01 to $0.73, exceeding the dividend for the quarter [20][21] - The economic return for Q2 was 0.7%, marking the seventh consecutive quarter of positive economic returns, with a year-to-date economic return of 3.7% and total shareholder return exceeding 10% [9][20] - The investment portfolio yield increased to 5.41% from 5.23% in the prior quarter, while average repo rates decreased to 4.53% [21][22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Agency portfolio's market value rose to nearly $80 billion, a 6% increase quarter-over-quarter, with a $4.5 billion growth in notional terms [10][11] - The residential credit portfolio remained stable at $6.6 billion in market value, with Onslow Bay achieving record securitization activity of $3.6 billion across seven transactions [13][14] - The Mortgage Servicing Rights (MSR) portfolio ended the quarter unchanged at $3.3 billion, with solid performance metrics including a three-month CPR of 4.6% and serious delinquencies unchanged at 50 basis points [17][18] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The U.S. economy is projected to grow at around 1% annualized for the first half of the year, with an unemployment rate of 4.1% [6][8] - Inflation is expected to run at the slowest level in the past three quarters, with the Fed anticipated to deliver two interest rate cuts in 2025 [7][8] - Agency MBS spreads widened by 5 to 10 basis points during the quarter, despite improvements in market sentiment [9][10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a strong focus on the agency sector while strategically growing its residential credit and MSR portfolios [18] - The management is optimistic about the agency sector fundamentals and potential catalysts for improvement, including GSE reform [12][18] - The company has diversified its funding sources significantly, enhancing liquidity and operational flexibility [23][24] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the ability to cover and potentially out-earn the dividend for the remainder of the year, citing a conducive environment for achieving close to the dividend yield [28][29] - The company is well-positioned to navigate macroeconomic uncertainties, with a focus on managing rate risk and maintaining low leverage [34][40] - The outlook remains positive, with expectations for continued strong risk-adjusted returns in the current environment [18][19] Other Important Information - The company raised over $750 million of accretive capital in Q2, predominantly deployed in the agency sector, leading to a modest increase in leverage to 5.8 turns [9][10] - The MSR portfolio's valuation improved modestly due to a steepening yield curve and lower implied volatility [17][18] Q&A Session Summary Question: Update on book value quarter to date - The pre-dividend accrual book was up about 0.5%, indicating a 1.5% economic return [27] Question: Comfort level with the dividend - Management expressed confidence in covering the dividend, with expectations to out-earn it for the remainder of the year [28] Question: Managing the portfolio through volatility - The company maintained a good liquidity position and managed exposure carefully, allowing leverage to drift higher while focusing on rate risk [33][34] Question: Expectations for GSE reform - Management expects GSE reform to be prioritized, which could create opportunities for the company in the origination space [56] Question: Demand for Agency MBS - Demand from fixed income funds has been strong, with expectations for MBS spreads to tighten even without additional demand from banks [75][76] Question: Outlook for residential credit issuance - The company anticipates robust issuance in the second half of the year, tracking to be the highest since 2021 [81] Question: Impact of tariffs on inflation - Management acknowledged that inflation will pass through due to tariffs, but they remain optimistic about achieving the expected Fed cuts [92][96]
Annaly(NLY) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-24 14:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The book value per share decreased by 3% from the prior quarter to $18.45, while earnings available for distribution per share increased by $0.01 to $0.73, exceeding the dividend for the quarter [19][20] - The economic return for Q2 was 0.7%, bringing the year-to-date economic return to 3.7% [7][20] - The net interest spread excluding PAA increased to 1.47% in Q2 compared to 1.24% a year ago, and the net interest margin excluding PAA was 1.71% in Q2 compared to 1.58% in Q2 2024 [21] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Agency portfolio ended the quarter at nearly $80 billion in market value, up 6% quarter over quarter, with a growth of approximately $4.5 billion in notional terms [9][10] - The residential credit portfolio remained relatively unchanged at $6.6 billion in market value, with Onslow Bay achieving its highest quarterly securitization activity to date, closing $3.6 billion across seven transactions [12][13] - The MSR portfolio ended the quarter unchanged at $3.3 billion in market value, with solid fundamental performance and a three-month CPR of 4.6% [15][16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The U.S. economy is expected to grow around 1% annualized for the first half of the year, with an unemployment rate marginally lowered to 4.1% [5][6] - Inflation is likely to have run at the slowest level in the past three quarters, with the Fed expected to deliver two interest rate cuts in 2025 [6][7] - Agency MBS spreads widened by 5 to 10 basis points on the quarter, despite a positive reversal in sentiment towards risk assets [7][9] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company remains optimistic about the agency sector, citing sound fundamentals and potential catalysts for improvement in Agency MBS technicals [11] - The focus is on further building out flow servicing relationships and expanding subservicing and recapture partnerships to capitalize on MSR opportunities [17] - The company plans to strategically grow its residential credit and MSR portfolios while maintaining a flexible investment approach with low leverage and ample liquidity [17] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that the macroeconomic environment has shown resilience, with a balanced labor market and muted layoffs, affirming the Fed's wait-and-see stance [5][6] - The company expects to be overweight in agency investments due to historically attractive spread levels, while also anticipating growth in residential credit and MSR portfolios [17] - Management expressed confidence in covering and potentially out-earning the dividend for the remainder of the year, given the current economic return [27][28] Other Important Information - The company raised over $750 million of accretive capital in Q2, predominantly deployed in the agency sector, with leverage increasing modestly to 5.8 turns [8] - The company has diversified its funding sources significantly, with non-mark-to-market capacity growing from $150 million to $1.9 billion [22][23] Q&A Session Summary Question: Update on book value quarter to date - The book value was up about 0.5% pre-dividend accrual, indicating a 1.5% economic return [26] Question: Comfort level with the dividend - Management expressed confidence in covering the dividend, expecting to out-earn it for the remainder of the year [27][28] Question: Managing the portfolio through volatility - Management was comfortable allowing leverage to rise due to a strong liquidity position and focused on managing rate exposure [32][34] Question: Dynamics of the credit portfolio - The quality of the credit portfolio is high, with proactive measures taken to tighten credit standards [45][46] Question: Expectations for GSE reform - Management expects GSE reform to be prioritized now that the tax bill is completed, which could create opportunities for the company [56] Question: Demand for Agency MBS - Demand from fixed income funds has been strong, and the company expects MBS spreads to tighten even without additional demand from banks [76][77]
Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment (CHMI) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-06 22:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported a GAAP net loss applicable to common stockholders of $9.3 million or $0.29 per diluted share for Q1 2025 [6][16] - Book value per common share decreased to $3.58 from $3.82 at the end of Q4 2024 [7][17] - NAV declined approximately $7.5 million or 3.2% relative to December 31 [7] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The MSR portfolio had an unpaid principal balance (UPB) of $17 billion and a market value of approximately $227 million, representing about 44% of equity capital [10] - The RMBS portfolio accounted for approximately 39% of equity capital, with a weighted average three-month CPR of 5.8% [10][12] - EAD attributable to common stockholders was $5.4 million or $0.17 per share, benefiting from dollar roll income [16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Interest rates ended the quarter at 4.25%, approximately 30 basis points lower quarter over quarter [5] - Prepayment speeds for the MSR portfolio averaged approximately 4.1%, down modestly from the previous quarter [11] - RMBS portfolio's net interest spread was 3.55%, higher than the prior quarter [12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company plans to deploy capital into Agency RMBS and select MSRs while maintaining strong liquidity and prudent leverage [8] - The management is closely monitoring the macro environment and tariff situation to stress the portfolio for various scenarios [8] - The company aims to improve its expense ratio and capital structure over time by managing operating expenses [8] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed that rates will continue to be highly reactive to global political agendas and domestic economic data [6] - The uncertainty in the market has led the company to position its portfolio more neutrally to withstand daily volatility [6] - Future EAD is expected to trend lower due to the maturation of a significant hedge that previously contributed to EAD [16][53] Other Important Information - The company completed its first full quarter as an integrated, internally managed mortgage REIT [7] - Operating expenses for the quarter were $3.8 million, reflecting a decline due to the elimination of the management fee [17] - The Board declared a dividend of $0.15 per common share for Q1 2025, paid in cash on April 30 [18] Q&A Session Summary Question: What would it take for the company to allocate more to the RMBS portfolio? - Management indicated that all reinvestment income has been directed towards MBS, and significant changes would require selling a portion of the MSR [20][24] Question: Is there any movement in GSE reform affecting capital allocation? - Management stated it is too early to tell, and the market has not fully priced in the potential changes regarding GSE reform [25][29] Question: Can you provide a book value update for Q2? - The company reported a NAV down about 3.7% in April, leading to a 7% book value per share before any dividends [36] Question: How much of the EAD in Q1 was due to the roll-off of expenses associated with internalization? - Approximately $0.02 of EAD in Q1 was attributed to internalization and G&A savings [51] Question: What are the general thoughts on MSR pricing and supply post the Rocket Cooper deal? - Management noted that volumes have been lower and there have not been substantial changes in pricing dynamics in the market [50] Question: Are there opportunities in spec pools within the builder buy-down space? - Management has seen builder buy-downs but has not focused on them for the portfolio, preferring to keep pay-ups modest [44]
Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment (CHMI) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-06 21:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q1 2025, the company reported a GAAP net loss applicable to common stockholders of $9.3 million, or $0.29 per diluted share, compared to a comprehensive loss of $2.6 million, or $0.08 per diluted share [6][15]. - The book value per common share decreased to $3.58 from $3.82 at the end of Q4 2024, reflecting a decline of approximately 6.3% [7][17]. - The NAV was down approximately $7.5 million, or 3.2%, relative to December 31, 2024 [7]. Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The MSR portfolio had an unpaid principal balance (UPB) of $17 billion and a market value of approximately $227 million, representing about 44% of equity capital [11]. - The RMBS portfolio accounted for approximately 39% of equity capital, with a weighted average three-month CPR of 5.8%, slightly up from 5.7% in the previous quarter [12][13]. - Prepayment speeds for the MSR portfolio averaged approximately 4.1%, down modestly from the previous quarter, while RMBS prepayment speeds remained low [12]. Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Interest rates ended the quarter at 4.25%, approximately 30 basis points lower quarter over quarter, but volatility increased due to tariff announcements [5][6]. - The company noted that mortgage performance was mixed, with higher coupon mortgages outperforming lower coupon mortgages [10]. Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company plans to deploy capital into Agency RMBS and select MSRs, focusing on strong risk-adjusted return profiles while maintaining liquidity and prudent leverage [9]. - Management emphasized the importance of closely managing operating expenses to improve the expense ratio and capital structure over time [8]. Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed concerns about ongoing macroeconomic uncertainty and the potential for elevated rates until clear macro policy is established [10][11]. - The company is cautious regarding GSE reform, indicating that current market assumptions about government guarantees may not be well-defined [27][29]. Other Important Information - The company declared a dividend of $0.15 per common share for Q1 2025, paid on April 30, 2025 [18]. - Operating expenses for the quarter were reported at $3.8 million, benefiting from the elimination of management fees [17]. Q&A Session Summary Question: What would it take for the company to allocate more to the RMBS portfolio? - Management indicated that all reinvestment income has been directed towards MBS, and significant changes would require selling a portion of the MSR portfolio [23]. Question: Is there any movement in GSE reform affecting market pricing? - Management stated it is too early to tell, noting that while there have been movements at the GSEs, specific plans regarding government guarantees remain undefined [27][29]. Question: Can you provide a book value update for Q2? - The company reported a NAV down about 3.7% in April, leading to an estimated 7% book value per share before any dividends [36]. Question: How much of the EAD in Q1 was due to the roll-off of internalization expenses? - Approximately $0.02 of EAD in Q1 was attributed to savings from internalization and G&A [52]. Question: What are the general thoughts on MSR pricing and supply post-Rocket Cooper deal? - Management noted that volumes have been lower than the previous year, and no substantial changes in pricing dynamics have been observed [51].
New York Mortgage Trust(NYMT) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-01 14:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The recurring earnings in Q1 2025 increased to a level consistent with the company's dividend of $0.20 per share, reflecting a strategic portfolio restructuring initiated two years ago [6][7] - Earnings Available for Distribution (EAD) per share rose to $0.20 in Q1 2025 from $0.16 in Q4 2024, while quarterly EPS contribution from adjusted net interest income increased to $0.40 per share, up from $0.36 in the prior quarter [12][16] - GAAP book value and adjusted book value per share increased to $9.37 and $10.43 respectively, representing a 1% increase compared to the end of 2024 [16] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Agency RMBS investments now account for over 50% of company assets, with approximately $1.5 billion purchased in Q1 2025, nearly four times more than the previous quarter [10][17] - In the residential credit sector, $397 million of whole loans were purchased, with a focus on bridge loans and rental loans [18][19] - The portfolio recourse leverage ratio decreased to 0.5 times from 1.1 times, reflecting successful securitizations in the residential loan sector [9][16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market experienced spread widening in Agency RMBS and residential credit, with current coupon agency spreads widening from 135 basis points to 143 basis points in Q1 2025 [22][23] - As of April 2025, adjusted book value is estimated to be down approximately 1.5% [38] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a strong focus on Agency RMBS while also exploring opportunities in residential credit, particularly BPL rental loans [20][40] - The strategic shift towards more liquid agency RMBS is intended to enhance flexibility in capital allocation depending on market conditions [21][22] - The company plans to leverage its platform for service fee income in the near term, while continuing to optimize expected returns from its agency portfolio [8][12] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that the geopolitical situation may lead to further market volatility, but they are prepared to deploy liquidity at attractive levels [20][21] - The company does not foresee immediate impacts from GSE reform on its activities, indicating a cautious approach to potential changes in the mortgage market [32][33] - Management expressed confidence in the ability to generate recurring income to support the current dividend, despite a challenging economic outlook [27] Other Important Information - The company recognized net unrealized gains of $118.2 million during the quarter, primarily from higher valuations in the agency RMBS portfolio [14] - General and administrative expenses increased slightly due to non-recurring employee severance costs related to restructuring initiatives [15] Q&A Session Summary Question: Impact of GSE reform on business and mortgage market - Management indicated that GSE reform could lead to higher mortgage rates and liquidity issues, but does not expect significant influence on activities in the near to medium term [32][33] Question: Update on book value performance in Q2 - As of April month-end, adjusted book value is estimated to be down approximately 1.5% [38] Question: Capital allocation strategy amidst market volatility - Management confirmed a continued focus on Agency RMBS and BPL, with a preference for BPL rental over BPL bridge loans [40][41] Question: Timing surrounding mezzanine and multifamily investments - The 10% payoff rate mentioned was year-to-date as of early April, with expectations for continued resolutions in the multifamily mezzanine portfolio [43] Question: Future capital allocation preferences - Management expressed a preference for Agency RMBS in the near term, while remaining flexible to shift focus based on market conditions [45]
New York Mortgage Trust(NYMT) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-01 13:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The recurring earnings in Q1 2025 increased to a level consistent with the company's dividend of $0.20 per share, reflecting a strategic portfolio restructuring initiated two years ago [6][7] - Earnings Available for Distribution (EAD) per share rose to $0.20 in Q1 2025 from $0.16 in Q4 2024, while quarterly EPS contribution from adjusted net interest income increased to $0.40 per share, up from $0.36 in the prior quarter [12][13] - GAAP book value and adjusted book value per share increased to $9.37 and $10.43 respectively, representing a 1% increase compared to the end of 2024 [17] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Agency RMBS investments now account for over 50% of company assets, with approximately $1.5 billion of Agency RMBS purchased in Q1 2025, nearly four times more than the previous quarter [11][18] - In the residential credit sector, $397 million of whole loans were purchased, with a focus on bridge loans and rental loans [19][20] - The portfolio recourse leverage ratio decreased to 0.5 times from 1.1 times, reflecting successful securitizations in the residential loan sector [10][17] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market experienced spread widening in Agency RMBS and residential credit, with current coupon agency spreads widening from 135 basis points to 143 basis points [22] - As of April 2025, adjusted book value is estimated to be down approximately 1.5% [38] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a strong focus on Agency RMBS while also exploring opportunities in residential credit, particularly BPL rental loans [21][41] - The strategic shift towards more liquid agency RMBS is intended to enhance flexibility in capital allocation depending on market conditions [21][22] - The company has reduced its JV equity exposure to less than 1% of the overall portfolio, indicating a shift in investment strategy [28] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about the potential for additional revenue generation through service fee income and highlighted the importance of operational efficiencies in supporting dividend coverage [8][12] - The company anticipates continued market volatility but is prepared to deploy liquidity into attractive investment opportunities as they arise [21][22] - Management does not foresee significant impacts from potential GSE reforms in the near to medium term [33][34] Other Important Information - The company recognized net unrealized gains of $118.2 million during the quarter, primarily from higher valuations in the agency RMBS portfolio [14] - General and administrative expenses increased slightly due to non-recurring employee severance costs related to restructuring initiatives [16] Q&A Session Summary Question: Impact of FHFA and GSEs changes on business - Management discussed potential GSE reforms, indicating that it could lead to higher mortgage rates and liquidity issues, but does not expect significant changes in the near term [33][34] Question: Update on book value performance in Q2 - As of April 2025, adjusted book value is estimated to be down approximately 1.5% [38] Question: Capital allocation strategy amidst market volatility - Management confirmed a continued focus on Agency RMBS and BPL, with a preference for BPL rental over BPL bridge loans [40][41] Question: Timing surrounding mezzanine and multifamily investments - The 10% payoff rate mentioned was year-to-date as of early April, with expectations for continued resolutions in the multifamily mezzanine portfolio [44] Question: Future capital allocation preferences - Management expressed a preference for Agency RMBS in the near term but acknowledged the potential for shifts depending on market conditions [46]
Two Harbors Investment (TWO) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-01-30 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The book value at December 31 was $14.47 per common share, down from $14.93 on September 30, resulting in a flat quarterly economic return [6][17] - The company incurred a comprehensive loss of $1.6 million or $0.03 per weighted average common share in Q4 [18] - Net interest expense decreased by $7.4 million in Q4 due to lower RMBS borrowing balances [18] - The economic return for the full year of 2024 was 7.0 percent [17] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Net servicing income was $168 million, slightly down from Q3 due to lower float income [19] - The servicing assets showed a gain of $82.5 million in Q4 after a loss of $133.4 million in Q3 [20] - The weighted average note rate in the MSR portfolio was 3.46%, with mortgage rates around 7% [11] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The 10-year treasury yield increased by 79 basis points to finish at 4.57% [7] - The 2-year treasury yield increased by 60 basis points to 4.24% [7] - The overall prepayment rates for 30-year agency RMBS rose to 6.9% CPR, reflecting a lagged effect from lower rates in Q3 [30] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on a hedged MSR-centric strategy to generate stable cash flows [14] - A direct-to-consumer origination platform was launched to maintain the servicing portfolio through recapture of underlying mortgage loans [11] - The company aims to expand its second lien loan offerings to borrowers [13] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expects mortgage rates to remain above 6% in the intermediate term, which may keep housing activity muted [9] - The company believes that its MSR portfolio will benefit from the success of servicing and originations [11] - Management expressed optimism about the stability of returns and the potential for attractive levered returns in 2025 and beyond [35] Other Important Information - The company serviced $212 billion UPB of MSR across 861,000 loans, with $58 billion UPB serviced for third-party clients [10] - The economic debt to equity ratio decreased slightly to 6.5 times [26] - The MSR portfolio was valued at $202 billion UPB at December 31, reflecting a slight increase in price multiple to 5.9 times [31][32] Q&A Session Summary Question: How has the book performed so far in the quarter? - Management indicated that total return is estimated to be up between 1.5% to 2% as of the previous night [38] Question: How does the lower leverage level impact earnings power? - Management stated that overall debt to economic ratio is just one measure and that the mix of assets supports stable returns [39][40] Question: What is the outlook for Agency MBS spreads this year? - Management expressed a positive outlook for mortgage spreads, noting a more controlled response since November [46][49] Question: Any thoughts on potential GSE reform? - Management indicated they do not have more information than the market regarding GSE reform and its implications [54] Question: Can you discuss the differences between EAD and static return range? - Management explained that the static return is a mark-to-market basis, while EAD reflects the purchase price and can create timing distortions [60][62] Question: Are there new financing counterparties for the MSR portfolio? - Management noted that the depth of the market for MSR financing continues to grow with new entrants [70][71] Question: How have costs changed in response to rate cuts? - Management stated that financing costs have decreased as the Fed has cut rates, impacting both MSR and RMBS sides [73]