Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment Corporation (CHMI) Q2 2025 Earnings Call August 07, 2025 05:00 PM ET Speaker0Good afternoon, and welcome to the Cherry Hill Mortgage Investment Corporation Second Quarter twenty twenty five Earnings Call. I am Frans, and I'll be the operator assisting you today. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question and answer session. Thank you.I would now like to turn the call over to Peter Souza with ICR. P ...

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company experienced a total economic return of negative 14.5% for the second quarter, and negative 1.4% excluding a loss contingency accrual of $1.92 per share [5][16] - The book value decreased to $12.14 per share, reflecting the impact of the loss contingency accrual [16] - A comprehensive loss of $221.8 million or $2.13 per share was reported, which would have been $21.9 million or 21¢ per share without the accrual [16] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - First lien originations increased to $48 million UPB in Q2, up 68% from $29 million UPB in Q1, outpacing the nationwide trend of 16% [8] - Second liens brokered amounted to $44 million UPB, with the company beginning to originate second liens in its own name [9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The 30-year fixed mortgage rate rose from 6.6% to a high near 6.9%, stabilizing in the 6.7% to 6.8% range by the end of the quarter [6][7] - The volume of MSR available in the bulk market has decreased by about 30% year over year [26] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is enhancing its direct-to-consumer originations platform to recapture loans in its portfolio that may refinance [8] - Significant investments in AI technologies are being made to improve efficiencies and customer experiences [11][12] - The core strategy focuses on low coupon MSR paired with agency RMBS to benefit from stable prepayments and wide agency spreads [31] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - The management noted ongoing tariff threats and geopolitical tensions as potential market weighers, but also highlighted opportunities in the current environment [30] - The company expects RMBS and MSR portfolios to respond positively if the Federal Reserve cuts rates later in the year [7] Other Important Information - The company issued $115 million in senior notes due in 2030 for net proceeds of $110.8 million, part of which will be used for refinancing [19] - The economic debt to equity ratio increased to 7x, which is within the historical leverage range of 5 to 8 [20] Q&A Session Summary Question: Is the current leverage level a new standard? - Management confirmed that the leverage of 7x is within the historical range and reflects current market conditions [34][35] Question: Update on economic return performance in July? - The company reported an economic return of about 1.5% for July [36] Question: Differences between expected returns and EAD metric? - Management explained that EAD is based on historical purchase yields, while expected returns reflect forward-looking market conditions [43] Question: Thoughts on financing strategy and shift from repo to unsecured? - The issuance of a baby bond was primarily to prefinance the maturity of existing convertible debt [63] Question: Impact of steepening yield curve on the portfolio? - Management indicated that a steepening yield curve could have counterbalancing effects on MSR values, affecting both float income and prepayment assumptions [70] Question: Plans for second liens in the investment portfolio? - The company is open to retaining second liens if yields are attractive, but will also consider selling them [55] Question: Expense structure and AI investment impact? - Most AI-related expenses will be recognized as operational expenses rather than capitalized, affecting the expense ratio [88][92]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The book value per share decreased by 3% from the prior quarter to $18.45, while earnings available for distribution per share increased by $0.01 to $0.73, exceeding the dividend for the quarter [19][20] - The economic return for Q2 was 0.7%, bringing the year-to-date economic return to 3.7% [7][20] - The net interest spread excluding PAA increased to 1.47% in Q2 compared to 1.24% a year ago, and the net interest margin excluding PAA was 1.71% in Q2 compared to 1.58% in Q2 2024 [21] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Agency portfolio ended the quarter at nearly $80 billion in market value, up 6% quarter over quarter, with a growth of approximately $4.5 billion in notional terms [9][10] - The residential credit portfolio remained relatively unchanged at $6.6 billion in market value, with Onslow Bay achieving its highest quarterly securitization activity to date, closing $3.6 billion across seven transactions [12][13] - The MSR portfolio ended the quarter unchanged at $3.3 billion in market value, with solid fundamental performance and a three-month CPR of 4.6% [15][16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The U.S. economy is expected to grow around 1% annualized for the first half of the year, with an unemployment rate marginally lowered to 4.1% [5][6] - Inflation is likely to have run at the slowest level in the past three quarters, with the Fed expected to deliver two interest rate cuts in 2025 [6][7] - Agency MBS spreads widened by 5 to 10 basis points on the quarter, despite a positive reversal in sentiment towards risk assets [7][9] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company remains optimistic about the agency sector, citing sound fundamentals and potential catalysts for improvement in Agency MBS technicals [11] - The focus is on further building out flow servicing relationships and expanding subservicing and recapture partnerships to capitalize on MSR opportunities [17] - The company plans to strategically grow its residential credit and MSR portfolios while maintaining a flexible investment approach with low leverage and ample liquidity [17] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that the macroeconomic environment has shown resilience, with a balanced labor market and muted layoffs, affirming the Fed's wait-and-see stance [5][6] - The company expects to be overweight in agency investments due to historically attractive spread levels, while also anticipating growth in residential credit and MSR portfolios [17] - Management expressed confidence in covering and potentially out-earning the dividend for the remainder of the year, given the current economic return [27][28] Other Important Information - The company raised over $750 million of accretive capital in Q2, predominantly deployed in the agency sector, with leverage increasing modestly to 5.8 turns [8] - The company has diversified its funding sources significantly, with non-mark-to-market capacity growing from $150 million to $1.9 billion [22][23] Q&A Session Summary Question: Update on book value quarter to date - The book value was up about 0.5% pre-dividend accrual, indicating a 1.5% economic return [26] Question: Comfort level with the dividend - Management expressed confidence in covering the dividend, expecting to out-earn it for the remainder of the year [27][28] Question: Managing the portfolio through volatility - Management was comfortable allowing leverage to rise due to a strong liquidity position and focused on managing rate exposure [32][34] Question: Dynamics of the credit portfolio - The quality of the credit portfolio is high, with proactive measures taken to tighten credit standards [45][46] Question: Expectations for GSE reform - Management expects GSE reform to be prioritized now that the tax bill is completed, which could create opportunities for the company [56] Question: Demand for Agency MBS - Demand from fixed income funds has been strong, and the company expects MBS spreads to tighten even without additional demand from banks [76][77]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The economic return for Q1 2025 was 3%, consistent with the previous quarter, with earnings available for distribution per share at $0.72 [18][19] - Book value per share slightly declined to $19.02, a decrease of less than 1% quarter over quarter [19][22] - The common stock dividend was increased from $0.65 to $0.70 per share, reflecting earnings momentum [7][19] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Agency portfolio saw a notional growth of $3.5 billion, driven by purchases of intermediate coupon TBAs [10][11] - The Residential Credit portfolio decreased by $340 million quarter over quarter, ending at $6.6 billion in market value [12][13] - The Mortgage Servicing Rights (MSR) portfolio remained relatively unchanged at $3.3 billion in market value [15][16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Economic leverage increased modestly to 5.7 turns, remaining at the low end of the historical range [9][19] - The housing market showed signs of regional disparity, with home price appreciation slowing down due to increased inventory and affordability issues [13][60] - Inventory levels increased by 18% year over year, impacting existing home sales, which were at their lowest since February [57][58] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a conservative leverage approach amidst market volatility while focusing on agency investments due to attractive returns [17][37] - The strategic alignment with industry-leading sub-servicing partners is expected to create competitive advantages in the MSR business [15][16] - The company is optimistic about the potential for regulatory reforms that could positively impact the market dynamics [32][71] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that the macroeconomic environment remains uncertain, with volatility expected to persist [9][17] - The outlook for the housing market is stable in the long term, supported by low delinquencies and tight underwriting standards, despite short-term pullbacks [60][61] - The company is prepared for potential market fluctuations with a diversified and actively managed portfolio [17][22] Other Important Information - The company has approximately $7.5 billion in assets available for financing, reflecting a $600 million increase compared to the previous quarter [22] - The weighted average repo days extended to 50 days, indicating a strategic shift in financing [21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Update on book value quarter to date - The book value was off roughly 3.5% as of the latest update, improving from a 4.5% decline post-Easter [25] Question: Outlook for spreads and regulatory impacts - Swap spreads have tightened due to volatility, and regulatory reforms are anticipated to positively influence market conditions [26][32] Question: Thoughts on leverage amidst spread widening - The company is balancing the opportunity to increase leverage against the risks posed by high volatility [36][37] Question: Housing price moderation and systemic risks - Housing price increases are regional, with some areas experiencing declines, but overall, the market remains stable due to strong borrower equity [60][61] Question: Agency portfolio supply-demand dynamics - Demand from fixed income funds was strong before recent volatility, with banks and REITs also showing reasonable demand [85] Question: Impact of rate and spread volatility on loan acquisitions - The company is adopting a more defensive posture in response to increased spreads, but lock volumes remain stable [90]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported earnings available for distribution per share of $0.72, consistent with the prior quarter, driven by lower average repo rates of 4.56% compared to 4.93% in the previous quarter [18] - The book value per share was $19.02, reflecting a modest decline of less than 1% quarter over quarter [18] - The economic return for Q1 was 3%, with individual business segments contributing positively despite a challenging macro environment [18] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Agency portfolio saw a notional growth of $3.5 billion, driven by purchases of intermediate coupon TBAs [9] - The Residential Credit portfolio ended the quarter at $6.6 billion in market value, with a decrease of $340 million quarter over quarter due to opportunistic sales and increased securitizations [11] - The Mortgage Servicing Rights (MSR) portfolio remained relatively unchanged at $3.3 billion in market value, with $28 billion in principal balance settled during Q1 [14] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Economic leverage increased modestly to 5.7 turns, remaining at the low end of the historical range [6] - The housing market is showing signs of increased regional disparity, with some areas experiencing a modest reversal in home price appreciation trends [12] - Inventory levels have increased, with a year-over-year rise of 18%, impacting the spring selling season [58] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to maintain a conservative leverage approach amidst market volatility, balancing the opportunity to increase leverage with the risks associated with high volatility [38] - The focus remains on agency investments as spreads have cheapened, while also continuing to grow the OBX platform for loan acquisition and securitization [76] - The company is strategically aligned with industry-leading sub-servicing partners to enhance efficiency and technological investment in the mortgage industry [15] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed concerns about the impact of U.S. trade policy on consumer and business confidence, which may affect economic growth [7] - Despite the uncertain outlook, the company believes its diversified and actively managed portfolio positions it well to perform across various economic scenarios [17] - The management remains optimistic about the housing market's long-term stability due to low delinquencies and tight underwriting standards, despite short-term pullbacks in certain regions [62] Other Important Information - The company increased its common stock dividend to $0.70 per share, underscoring earnings momentum [6] - The total assets available for financing increased to approximately $7.5 billion, reflecting enhanced liquidity [22] Q&A Session Summary Question: Update on book value quarter to date - The book value was off roughly 3.5% as of Tuesday evening, improving from a 4.5% decline post-Easter [26] Question: Outlook for spreads and regulatory impacts - Swap spreads have tightened due to volatility, and regulatory reforms are anticipated to positively impact market conditions in the future [27][33] Question: Thoughts on leverage given current market conditions - The company is maintaining a conservative leverage approach due to high volatility, despite wider spreads suggesting a potential increase in risk [37][39] Question: Supply-demand dynamics in the agency portfolio - There was strong demand from fixed income funds and banks, but foreign demand, particularly from Asian accounts, remains limited [87][88] Question: Impact of housing price moderation on the market - Housing prices have increased significantly since 2019, but recent inventory increases may lead to short-term pullbacks in certain regions [58][62]