And let's talk about that right now with NBC News national affairs analyst and partner and chief political columnist at Puck John Highland. Also the co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Rick Wilson. Um so um I I I'm I'm curious Rick as a former Republican and also as a former Republican also somebody who's like me is probably uh more conservative on crime than say we'll just say mom dami.Uh perhaps I think that's safe to say. uh more conservative on crime. I'm curious, how do you how do you uh hope Democrats ...

Joining me to talk about all of this is our NBC News team. White House correspondent Van Hillyard, law enforcement and intelligence correspondent Tom Winter, and senior national political reporter Sahil Kapoor has the latest from Capitol Hill. Van, let's start with you.How significant is it that the president can't seem to make this controversy over Epstein go away, especially considering how much fallout there is from his own base. Right. I think it's notable, Ryan, that this is somebody who does not typic ...