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TSMC(TSM) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-17 07:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Second quarter revenue increased 11.3% sequentially, supported by strong demand for three nanometer and five nanometer technologies, with a 17.8% increase in U.S. dollar terms to $30.1 billion, exceeding guidance [7][20] - Gross margin decreased by 0.2 percentage points sequentially to 58.6%, primarily due to unfavorable foreign exchange rates and margin dilution from overseas fabs [7][14] - Operating margin increased by 1.1 percentage points sequentially to 49.6%, with EPS up 60.7% year over year and ROE at 34.8% [8][10] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Revenue by technology: three nanometer contributed 24% of wafer revenue, five nanometer 36%, and seven nanometer 14%, with advanced technologies (seven nanometer and below) accounting for 74% of wafer revenue [8] - Revenue contribution by platform: HPC increased 14% quarter over quarter to 60%, smartphone increased 7% to 27%, IoT increased 14% to 5%, automotive remained flat at 5%, and DCE increased 30% to 1% [9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company ended the second quarter with cash and marketable securities of NT$2.6 trillion (approximately $90 billion) [10] - Current liabilities decreased by $1 billion quarter over quarter, mainly due to a decrease in accrued liabilities [10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company plans to invest a total of $165 billion in advanced semiconductor manufacturing in the U.S., including six advanced wafer manufacturing fabs in Arizona [24][25] - The expansion will enable TSMC to scale up production faster to support leading-edge customers in smartphone, AI, and HPC applications [26][28] - The company aims to maintain a competitive position through technology leadership, manufacturing excellence, and customer trust [22][23] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expects strong demand for semiconductor technology, particularly in AI and HPC, with a projected 30% increase in full-year 2025 revenue in U.S. dollar terms [22] - There are uncertainties regarding tariff policies and their impact on consumer-related markets, but overall semiconductor demand remains robust [21] - Management remains cautious about the potential impact of macroeconomic factors on future performance [21][47] Other Important Information - The company anticipates gross margin dilution from overseas fabs to be between 2% to 3% annually in the early stages, widening to 3% to 4% in later stages [15] - The sensitivity of revenue to the NT dollar exchange rate is nearly 100%, with a 1% appreciation reducing reported NT revenue by 1% [17][19] Q&A Session Summary Question: Demand outlook for AI and data center - Management noted that AI demand is getting stronger, and they are working to narrow the supply-demand gap [40][42] Question: Gross margin sustainability - Management expressed confidence in maintaining a gross margin of 53% and higher despite structural headwinds from foreign exchange rates and overseas fab dilution [51][76] Question: AI accelerator growth and market potential - Management indicated that while it is too early to revise growth targets, the potential for increased demand from China is positive [54][80] Question: CapEx guidance and future expansion - Management stated that CapEx is aligned with business opportunities and macro uncertainties, with expectations for potential increases in future years [94][95] Question: Advanced packaging and technology prioritization - Management emphasized the importance of customer demand in developing advanced packaging technologies and maintaining flexibility in technology transfer [103][106]
TSMC(TSM) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-17 07:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, revenue increased by 11.3% sequentially, supported by strong demand for 3nm and 5nm technologies, with a 17.8% increase in USD terms to $30.1 billion, exceeding guidance [6][12] - Gross margin decreased by 0.2 percentage points to 58.6%, primarily due to unfavorable foreign exchange rates and margin dilution from overseas fabs [6][14] - Operating margin increased by 1.1 percentage points to 49.6%, with EPS up 60.7% year-over-year and ROE at 34.8% [7][12] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Revenue contribution by technology: 3nm accounted for 24% of wafer revenue, while 5nm and 7nm accounted for 36% and 14% respectively; advanced technologies (7nm and below) made up 74% of wafer revenue [7] - Revenue by platform: HPC increased by 14% quarter-over-quarter to 60% of revenue; smartphone revenue increased by 7% to 27%; IoT increased by 14% to 5%; automotive remained flat at 5%; DCE increased by 30% to 1% [8] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company ended Q2 with cash and marketable securities of NT$2.6 trillion (approximately $90 billion) [9] - Current liabilities decreased by $1 billion quarter-over-quarter, mainly due to a reduction in accrued liabilities [9] - Days of inventory decreased by 7 days to 76 days, attributed to higher shipments of N3 and N5 wafers [10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - TSMC plans to invest $165 billion in advanced semiconductor manufacturing in the U.S., including six advanced wafer manufacturing fabs in Arizona [24][25] - The company aims to maintain its technology leadership and manufacturing excellence while expanding its global footprint, including plans for new fabs in Japan and Europe [28][29][30] - TSMC expects gross margin dilution from overseas fabs to be between 2% to 3% annually in the early stages, widening to 3% to 4% in later stages [14] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted strong demand for AI and HPC-related products, with expectations for a 30% increase in full-year 2025 revenue in USD terms [21][22] - There are uncertainties regarding tariff policies and their impact on consumer-related markets, but overall semiconductor demand remains robust [21] - Management remains cautious about the future, considering macroeconomic uncertainties while focusing on technology leadership and customer trust [22] Other Important Information - The company generated approximately $497 billion in cash from operations in Q2 and spent NT$297 billion on CapEx [10] - TSMC's capital expenditures for 2025 are expected to remain between $38 billion and $42 billion [12] Q&A Session Summary Question: Demand outlook for data center AI - Management confirmed that demand for AI is stronger than three months ago and is working to narrow the supply-demand gap [37][40] Question: Gross margin sustainability - Management expressed confidence in maintaining a gross margin of 53% or higher despite structural headwinds from FX and overseas fab dilution [46][49] Question: AI accelerator demand and growth - Management noted that while the H20 chip can now ship to China, it is too early to revise long-term growth targets for AI accelerators [50][52] Question: N2 ramp and revenue contribution - Management indicated that N2 profitability is expected to be better than N3, with revenue contributions anticipated to be significant in 2026 [55][82] Question: CapEx guidance and future expansion - Management acknowledged macro uncertainties but indicated that CapEx spending is unlikely to drop significantly in any given year [86][87]