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FormFactor(FORM) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-30 21:27
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported Q2 revenues of $195.8 million, exceeding the high end of the outlook range, with a 14.3% increase from Q1 and a 0.8% decrease year-over-year from Q2 2024 [14][21] - Non-GAAP gross margin for Q2 was 38.5%, at the low end of the range, and decreased from 39.2% in Q1 [16][18] - Non-GAAP operating income for Q2 was $22.8 million, a 35.2% increase from Q1, driven by higher revenues [19] - GAAP net income for Q2 was $9.1 million, or $0.12 per diluted share, compared to $6.4 million, or $0.08 per diluted share in Q1 [20] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Probe card segment revenues were $162.1 million in Q2, an 18.7% increase from Q1, driven by higher revenues in all markets, particularly Foundry and Logic and DRAM [14][15] - Foundry and Logic revenues increased to $100 million in Q2, a 16.7% increase from Q1, comprising 50.8% of total revenues [15] - DRAM revenues were $57.1 million in Q2, a 16.8% increase from Q1, with HBM revenues rising from $29.5 million in Q1 to $37 million in Q2 [15][16] - Systems segment revenues decreased to $33.7 million in Q2, down from $34.8 million in Q1, comprising 17.2% of total revenues [16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company continues to strengthen its leadership position in HBM probe cards, with expected growth in both HBM and DRAM overall [9] - The Foundry and Logic probe card market saw seasonal strength in Q2, but a moderate reduction in demand is expected in Q3 [10] - The company was recognized as the number one global supplier in both test subsystems and focused chip-making equipment categories in the annual Tech Insights 2025 Global Customer Satisfaction Survey [11] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on advanced packaging and generative AI as key growth drivers, with expectations of semiconductor industry growth to a trillion dollars by the early next decade [5][6] - Strategic investments include a minority equity investment in FICT and the acquisition of a manufacturing facility in Farmers Branch, Texas, aimed at improving competitiveness and profitability [8][13] - The company aims to achieve a target financial model of 47% gross margin on $850 million of annual revenue, acknowledging recent performance has not demonstrated a clear path to that level [13][26] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged that recent financial results, particularly gross margins, have not reflected the company's market leadership position, attributing this to product mix shifts and operational cost increases [7] - The company expects Q3 revenues of approximately $200 million, with a higher gross margin of around 40%, despite potential tariff impacts [24][25] - Management emphasized the importance of diversifying customer exposure to mitigate risks associated with individual customer volatility [62] Other Important Information - The company experienced a negative free cash flow of $47.1 million in Q2, primarily due to capital expenditures related to the Farmers Branch facility [21][22] - Total cash and investments at the end of Q2 were $253 million, a decrease of $50 million from Q1, largely due to the facility purchase [22] - The company has entered into a new $150 million revolving credit facility agreement to enhance financial flexibility [23] Q&A Session Summary Question: What is the residual customer ramp-up cost embedded in the Q3 gross margin guide? - Management confirmed no additional ramp-up costs are assumed in Q3 for the HBM customer [29][30] Question: Will the trend of higher sequential DRAM systems and lower sequential logic/foundry persist into Q4? - Management noted that while the PC and mobile markets remain weak, they are focusing on growth in areas driven by generative AI and advanced packaging [31][33] Question: What are the key factors that can help bridge the gross margin gap to target levels? - Management identified volume growth, operational cost reductions, and expanding Foundry and Logic market share as key components to improve gross margins [42][44] Question: What impact will the new Texas facility have on the P&L? - Management indicated that the facility is expected to lower operational costs in the long term, but immediate impacts on the P&L will be assessed as progress is made [48][49] Question: What is the status of the hyperscaler and GPU customer contributions? - Management reported progress in qualifying for GPU testing and noted contributions from hyperscaler custom ASICs in Q2, with expectations for revenue growth in the second half [70][72]
FormFactor(FORM) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-07-30 21:25
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported Q2 revenues of $195.8 million, exceeding the high end of the outlook range, with a 14.3% increase from Q1 and a 0.8% decrease year-over-year from Q2 2024 [15][16] - Non-GAAP gross margin for Q2 was 38.5%, down from 39.2% in Q1, primarily due to lower margins in the Systems segment and increased manufacturing costs [17][19] - Non-GAAP operating income for Q2 was $22.8 million, a 35.2% increase from Q1, driven by higher revenues despite lower gross margins [21] - GAAP net income for Q2 was $9.1 million, or $0.12 per diluted share, compared to $6.4 million, or $0.08 per diluted share in Q1 [22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Probe card segment revenues were $162.1 million in Q2, an 18.7% increase from Q1, with significant growth in Foundry and Logic and DRAM markets [15][16] - Foundry and Logic revenues increased to $100 million in Q2, a 16.7% increase from Q1, representing 50.8% of total company revenues [16] - DRAM revenues were $57.1 million in Q2, up 16.8% from Q1, with HBM revenues increasing from $29.5 million in Q1 to $37 million in Q2 [16][18] - Systems segment revenues decreased to $33.7 million in Q2, down from $34.8 million in Q1, comprising 17.2% of total revenues [17] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company continues to strengthen its leadership position in the HBM probe card market, with expectations of continued growth in both HBM and DRAM [9][10] - The Foundry and Logic probe card market saw seasonal strength in Q2, but a moderate reduction in demand is expected in Q3 [10][11] - The Systems segment is driven by advancements in co-package optics and quantum computing, with pilot production systems running for primary customers [12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on advanced packaging and generative AI as key growth drivers, positioning itself as a leading supplier of probe cards and systems [5][6] - Strategic investments include a minority equity investment in FICT and the acquisition of a manufacturing facility in Texas to enhance competitiveness and lower operational costs [7][8] - The company aims to achieve a target financial model of 47% gross margin on $850 million of annual revenue, acknowledging recent performance has not met this target [13][27] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged that recent financial results, particularly gross margins, have not reflected the company's market leadership, attributing this to product mix shifts and operational cost increases [6][27] - The company expects Q3 revenues to be around $200 million, with a higher gross margin of approximately 40%, despite potential tariff impacts [26][27] - Management remains optimistic about long-term growth prospects in the semiconductor industry, projecting significant growth driven by advanced packaging and generative AI [5][79] Other Important Information - The company experienced a negative free cash flow of $47.1 million in Q2, primarily due to capital expenditures related to the Texas facility acquisition [23][24] - Total cash and investments at the end of Q2 were $253 million, a decrease of $50 million from Q1, largely due to the facility purchase [24][25] - The company has entered into a new $150 million revolving credit facility to enhance financial flexibility [25] Q&A Session Summary Question: How much residual customer or HBM product cost is still embedded in the third quarter gross margin guide? - Management confirmed no additional ramp-up costs are assumed in Q3 for the HBM customer [30][31] Question: Do you think the trend of higher sequential DRAM systems and lower sequential logic/foundry could persist in Q4? - Management indicated that while the PC and mobile markets remain weak, they are focusing on growth in areas driven by generative AI and custom ASICs [32][34] Question: What impact will the new facility in Texas have on the P&L over the next few quarters? - Management stated that the facility is expected to lower operational costs in the medium term, but no immediate impact on the P&L is anticipated until it is operational [48][50] Question: What is the expected contribution from hyperscaler and GPU customers in the second half of the year? - Management noted that there has been progress in qualifying for GPU testing and expects revenue contributions from hyperscalers and custom ASICs in the second half [74][75] Question: What are the expected impacts of tariffs on gross margins? - Management acknowledged that tariffs are expected to have a significant impact on gross margins, with ongoing efforts to mitigate these effects [94][95]