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Sabra(SBRA) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-08-05 18:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The normalized FFO per share for Q2 2025 was $0.37, and normalized AFFO per share was $0.38, representing a 6% improvement over the same period in 2024 [21][24] - Total normalized FFO and normalized AFFO for the quarter were $89.2 million and $91.6 million respectively, reflecting strong sequential growth from increased NOI in both triple net and managed senior housing portfolios [21][22] - Cash rental income from the triple net portfolio increased by $2.3 million from the first quarter, driven by a $1.4 million increase in percentage rents [22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The managed senior housing portfolio contributed nearly 21% to total annualized cash NOI, with cash NOI for the quarter growing 17.1% year over year in the same store portfolio [14][18] - Revenue for the same store managed senior housing portfolio grew 5.6% year over year, with occupancy increasing to 86% from 84.6% in 2024 [16] - Cash NOI from the managed senior housing portfolio totaled $25.3 million for the quarter, up from $24.1 million last quarter [22] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The average Medicaid rate increase is expected to be around 3.5%, with the top five skilled nursing tenants averaging just above 5% [8] - The Medicare market saw an upward revision from 2.8% to 3.2%, which is considered unusual but positive [8] - The Canadian portfolio's RevPAR increased by 6.8% year over year, with occupancy above 90% for over five quarters [17] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to increase its SHOP (Senior Housing Operating Portfolio) from 20% to 30% by 2026, requiring $1 billion in investments [11] - The focus remains on acquiring well-performing newer senior housing communities that cater to the baby boomer generation [15] - The company is not interested in building a loan book or complex joint venture structures, preferring straightforward traditional deals [38] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the investment activity and operational performance, noting that triple net rent coverage is at new highs across all asset classes [12] - The company anticipates continued growth momentum into 2026, with a strong pipeline of investment opportunities [12][71] - Management remains cautious about the potential impact of economic factors on Medicare and Medicaid but believes the industry is in a healthier position than before [92][96] Other Important Information - The company declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.30 per share, representing a payout of 79% of the second quarter normalized AFFO per share [29][30] - The net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was five times as of June 30, 2025, a decrease from previous quarters, indicating improved leverage [25][26] Q&A Session Summary Question: Investment guidance and confidence in reaching $500 million for the year - Management indicated that the investment range would be between $400 million to $500 million, depending on timing [33] Question: Composition of future investments and skilled nursing deals - Management clarified that while pricing is not an issue, the focus is on finding quality assets in the right markets, with a majority of future investments likely still in SHOP [35] Question: Same store SHOP NOI performance and guidance - Management expressed hope for upside but opted for a moderate approach in guidance adjustments [42] Question: Impact of holiday transition on occupancy and NOI - Management noted that the transition had an initial negative impact but expected improvements in occupancy and NOI moving forward [66] Question: Labor market conditions and wage increases - Wage increases across operators are around 4%, with no significant issues in specific markets [100][103] Question: Selection criteria for new operators - The selection process involves understanding operators' quality outcomes and their desire for growth [107]
Ventas(VTR) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Presentation
2025-07-31 14:00
Second Quarter 2025 Performance - Normalized FFO per share was $0.87, a ~9% YoY increase, driven by SHOP NOI growth and senior housing investment activity[11] - Total Company Same-Store Cash NOI grew 6.6% YoY, led by SHOP[11] - SHOP Same-Store Cash NOI increased by 13.3% YoY, or 15% YoY excluding a $3 million property tax refund in Q2 2024[12] - U S SHOP growth was ~16%, or over 18% YoY excluding the prior year property tax refund[12] 2025 Outlook - Senior housing investment guidance increased from $1.5 billion to $2.0 billion[12] - Normalized FFO per share midpoint improved by $0.03 to $3.44[15] - SHOP Same-Store Cash NOI growth guidance range is 12% - 16%[14] Capital & Portfolio - $1.1 billion of accretive senior housing investments closed year-to-date[12, 55] - ~$1.8 billion of equity raised, including ~$0.7 billion of unsettled equity forward sales agreements[12] - Liquidity of $4.7 billion as of June 30, 2025[12] - Net Debt to Further Adjusted EBITDA improved to 5.6x, a 0.4x reduction from year-end 2024[12]