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Kimball Electronics(KE) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-07 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Net sales for Q3 totaled $375 million, representing a 10% decline year over year when excluding the divested AT and M business [8][13] - Gross margin rate in Q3 was 7.2%, a 70 basis point decline compared to 7.9% in the same period last year [13] - Adjusted net income in Q3 was $6.8 million or $0.27 per diluted share, down from $9.8 million or $0.39 per diluted share in the same quarter last year [16] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Medical segment net sales were $115 million, up 2% year over year, driven by non-recurring consignment inventory sales [8][9] - Automotive segment net sales were $173 million, a 14% decrease year over year, with strong performance in China and Europe but a decline in North America [10][11] - Industrial segment net sales were $86 million, down 15% year over year, with declines across all regions [12] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Sales in the Medical market increased, while the Automotive and Industrial markets experienced declines [8][10][12] - The company noted strong sales in China for the automotive segment, with a modest increase in Europe [10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focusing on expanding its presence in the medical contract manufacturing organization (CMO) space, with a new facility in Indianapolis dedicated to this sector [6][9] - The strategy includes utilizing cash generated from EMS operations to invest in the CMO business, with expectations for organic revenue growth over time [7][9] - The company is also closing its Tampa facility to streamline operations and improve global capacity utilization [23] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about returning to growth through emerging medical technologies and high-level assemblies [23] - The current tariff environment presents uncertainty, impacting the timing of recovery in the core EMS business [21][22] - Management reiterated guidance for fiscal year 2025, expecting to be at the high end of sales and operating income ranges [19] Other Important Information - Cash and cash equivalents at the end of Q3 were $51.4 million, with operating cash flow of $30.9 million [16][18] - The company has reduced borrowings by 40% from the beginning of the fiscal year, indicating improved financial health [18] Q&A Session Summary Question: Details about the new facility in Indianapolis - The new facility provides more space and capabilities for medical CMO, with lease terms designed to minimize upfront costs [25][26] Question: Impact of the existing facility's sale - It is too early to determine the potential value of the existing facility, with a transition period of two to three years expected [31][32] Question: Trends in open orders or backlog - The greatest increase in backlog was seen in the medical vertical, followed by industrial and automotive [33] Question: Orders pulled into March due to tariffs - Management is uncertain if orders were pulled forward but acknowledges the possibility [37] Question: Outlook for operating expenses - SG&A expenses are expected to rise in FY 2026 as investments are needed for growth [42] Question: Impact of tariffs on gross margin - Tariffs are expected to pressure gross margins, but management is working to maintain them [65]
ParkOhio(PKOH) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-07 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The first quarter sales totaled $405 million compared to $418 million a year ago, indicating a slight decline [12] - Consolidated gross margin was 16.8% in the quarter, down from 17.1% in the first quarter of last year [12] - GAAP earnings per share from continued operations was $0.61 per diluted share compared to $0.83 last year, while adjusted EPS was $0.66 compared to $0.85 a year ago [14] - EBITDA totaled $34 million in the quarter, with a trailing twelve-month EBITDA of $148 million compared to $152 million for the full year 2024 [14][15] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - In the Supply Technologies segment, net sales totaled $188 million, down from $197 million a year ago, with operating income at $17.8 million compared to $19.5 million last year [16][17] - The Assembly Components segment saw sales of $97 million, down from $107 million, with operating income of $5.3 million compared to $8.6 million a year ago [18] - The Engineered Products segment reported sales of $121 million, up from $114 million a year ago, driven by strong aftermarket sales in North America [19] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Sales growth was noted in the Supply Technology business in Europe and Asia, particularly in the commercial aerospace end market, which helped offset demand weakness in North America [11] - The Engineered Products segment is expected to benefit from increased investment in infrastructure and defense, particularly in steel technologies [9] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focusing on reshaping its business by investing in its best products and services, which includes closing non-strategic locations and discontinuing certain customer relationships [6] - The strategy aims to improve cash flows, reduce earnings volatility, and enhance overall margins through the business cycle [6] - The company is well-positioned to benefit from reshoring trends and has seen increased inquiries from customers looking to secure their supply chains in the US [8] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged a slow start in January but noted a rebound in February and March, aligning more closely with expectations [4] - The company has widened its 2025 earnings forecast to account for uncertainties related to tariffs and potential lower sales due to customer hesitance [9] - Management expressed confidence in the business model and the ability to navigate current market volatility [9] Other Important Information - Capital spending in the first quarter totaled $9.5 million, with expectations for full-year CapEx to range between $30 million and $35 million [15] - The effective income tax rate for the quarter was approximately 20%, with expectations for the full year to range between 20% and 23% [13] Q&A Session Summary Question: What parts of the business are driving the changing guidance? - Management indicated that the high end of the guidance reflects year-to-date performance, while the lower end considers uncertainties in current demand, particularly from consumer-facing customers [26][27] Question: How much of the cost base comes from China or countries with significant tariffs? - Approximately 70% of the business is North America-based, with only about 8% of the Asian segment located in China, indicating a relatively small exposure [32][36] Question: Are there signs of demand pull forward or pauses? - Management noted that while there may be some pull forward, overall, they did not see significant evidence of it impacting the supply chain [38][41] Question: How much of the Q1 shortfall can be made up in subsequent quarters? - Management expressed confidence in making up the shortfall, particularly as momentum picked up in March [47] Question: What is the current state of M&A activity? - There has been a decline in M&A activity due to macroeconomic uncertainties, but this may be short-term as conditions improve [55]
Acushnet (GOLF) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-07 13:32
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Acushnet reported worldwide net sales of $703 million, a 1% increase year-over-year [6] - Adjusted EBITDA was $139 million, reflecting a decrease of $15 million due to increased investment in the equipment segment [6][18] - Gross profit decreased by $5 million compared to the first quarter of 2024, primarily due to higher manufacturing costs [19] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Golf equipment net sales increased by almost 4%, driven by new product launches and strong performance in the EMEA region [7][11] - Titleist golf ball business grew by 4%, with significant gains in the EMEA region [8] - FootJoy sales declined by 5%, attributed to lower closeout footwear sales and targeted product line rationalization [10][19] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The US market saw a 1% increase, while EMEA grew by 4% [11] - Japan and Korea experienced declines of 24% each, primarily due to poor weather affecting the golf season [11] - Rounds of play in the US were down 2%, but worldwide rounds were slightly up, led by a 15% increase in EMEA and the UK [12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on executing a full slate of product fitting events across all markets [11] - Acushnet is adapting its supply chain to mitigate tariff impacts, with plans to source more components from non-China territories [14][26] - The company aims to maintain a strong consumer base and provide exceptional product experiences while navigating tariff uncertainties [17][25] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the resilience of the core consumer, the dedicated golfer, despite macroeconomic uncertainties [17][25] - The company expects a gross tariff impact of approximately $75 million in 2025, with plans to mitigate over 50% of this impact [25][26] - Future guidance remains uncertain due to changing trade policies, with no updates provided until more clarity is achieved [25] Other Important Information - Capital expenditures for the first quarter were $11 million, with a planned total of approximately $85 million for 2025 [22] - The company returned roughly $51 million to shareholders through share repurchases and cash dividends [23] - The effective tax rate in Q1 was 17.9%, down from 21.7% the previous year [21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Guidance and Consumer Demand - Management indicated that the decision to pause guidance updates is due to less visibility rather than a change in consumer demand [30][31] Question: Tariff Mitigation Actions - Management outlined that pricing would be a last resort, focusing first on supply chain adjustments and cost-sharing with suppliers [34][36] Question: Impact of Tariff Changes - If the China tariff rate were to decrease, the potential mitigation of the $75 million impact could be significant [41][42] Question: Demand Trends in Asia - Management noted a slow start in Asia due to weather but observed improvement in March and April [43][44] Question: Currency Exchange Rate Impact - A potential tailwind of $20 million was discussed if current exchange rates persist, impacting overall financial outlook positively [49][50] Question: Diversification from China - Management confirmed plans to diversify sourcing away from China while maintaining some supply chains for non-US markets [56][58]
MasterCraft Boat (MCFT) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-07 13:32
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q3 2025, net sales were $76 million, a decrease of $8 million or 10% from the prior year, primarily due to lower unit sales volume, partially offset by a favorable mix [17] - Gross margin was 20.8%, down from 23.3% in the prior year, attributed to lower cost absorption from production decreases [18] - Adjusted net income for the quarter was $5 million or $0.30 per diluted share, compared to $8.5 million or $0.50 per diluted share in the prior year [18] - Adjusted EBITDA was $7.5 million, down from $11.7 million in the prior year, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.9% compared to 13.9% [19] - The company ended the quarter with nearly $167 million in total liquidity, including $67 million in cash and short-term investments, and $100 million available under its revolving credit facility, with no debt [19] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - In the MasterCraft segment, production of the premium X Star model ramped up, contributing positively to brand momentum and dealer support [14] - The pontoon segment, including Crest and Valise brands, faced challenges with dealer inventories, leading to a 40% year-over-year unit reduction [16] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Dealer inventories across brands decreased by 30% over the past year, and more than 45% compared to the pre-pandemic period in fiscal 2019 [10] - The company anticipates a modest impact from tariffs on fiscal 2025 costs, while closely monitoring broader demand implications [11] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on disciplined cost, cash, and pipeline management, with a renewed emphasis on product development and prudent destocking [9] - Capital allocation priorities remain disciplined, with a solid balance sheet and a focus on share repurchase programs to return capital to shareholders [12] - The company is exploring growth opportunities within its distribution network, particularly in key markets like Dallas and Southern Utah [15] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged persistent macroeconomic headwinds and tariff uncertainty impacting the marine sector, leading to a revision of full-year guidance [10] - Despite challenges, management remains confident in achieving inventory reduction targets and maintaining dealer health [10] - The company is optimistic about retail momentum, particularly with premium buyers, and is preparing for the summer selling season [50] Other Important Information - Tim Oxley, the CFO, will retire in June, with Scott Kent set to succeed him [5][6] - The X Star model received the National Marine Manufacturers Association Innovation Award, highlighting the company's focus on quality and innovation [13] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you quantify the tariff impacts and potential price increases for model year '26? - Management indicated that the impact of tariffs is evolving and has not yet determined specific pricing effects, but expects some inflationary impact [26] Question: How do you view retail trends and dealer health? - Management expects retail to trend closer to a 10% decline and is pleased with the health of dealers, noting no significant dealer failures [27][37] Question: What is the status of the Belize product and its revenue expectations? - The Belize product is in low-rate production, with anticipated net sales around $10 million for fiscal '25, and positive early responses from dealers [41][44] Question: How will you approach pricing in light of tariffs? - The company aims to balance volume, price, and cost, considering a variable pricing model due to tariff variability [62][64]
MasterCraft Boat (MCFT) - 2025 Q3 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-07 13:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q3 2025, net sales were $76 million, a decrease of $8 million or 10% from the prior year, primarily due to lower unit sales volume, partially offset by a favorable mix [16][17] - Gross margin was 20.8%, down from 23.3% in the prior year, attributed to lower cost absorption from production decreases [17] - Adjusted net income for the quarter was $5 million or $0.30 per diluted share, compared to $8.5 million or $0.50 per diluted share in the prior year [18] - Adjusted EBITDA was $7.5 million, down from $11.7 million in the prior year, with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 9.9% compared to 13.9% [19] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Within the MasterCraft segment, production of the premium X Star model ramped up, contributing positively to brand momentum [8][13] - The pontoon segment, including Crest and Valise brands, faced challenges with dealer inventories, leading to a 40% year-over-year unit reduction [15] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Dealer inventories across brands decreased by 30% over the last year, and more than 45% compared to pre-pandemic levels in fiscal 2019 [9] - The company anticipates a modest impact from tariffs on fiscal 2025 costs, while closely monitoring demand implications [10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on disciplined cost, cash, and pipeline management, with a strong emphasis on product development and dealer support [8][12] - Capital allocation priorities remain disciplined, with a solid balance sheet and no debt, allowing for share repurchase programs to return capital to shareholders [11][20] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledged persistent macroeconomic headwinds and tariff uncertainty affecting the marine sector, leading to a revision of full-year guidance [9][21] - Despite challenges, management remains confident in achieving inventory reduction targets and is optimistic about the upcoming selling season [9][22] Other Important Information - Tim Oxley, the CFO, will retire in June, with Scott Kent set to succeed him, reflecting careful succession planning [5][6] - The X Star model received the National Marine Manufacturers Association Innovation Award, highlighting the company's focus on quality and innovation [12] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can we quantify the tariff impacts and potential price increases for model year '26? - Management indicated that the impact of tariffs is evolving and has not yet determined specific pricing effects, but expects some inflationary impact [26] Question: How is retail performing, and does the previous down 5% to 10% estimate change? - Management expects retail to trend closer to 10% down, with more clarity expected in June [28] Question: What is the direct and indirect exposure to tariffs? - Management has discussions with suppliers to understand costs and expects a modest impact in Q4, with ongoing monitoring [33][34] Question: What is the status of dealer network expansion? - Management reported progress in expanding the dealer network, particularly in Texas and Utah, which are key markets [36] Question: How is the dealer network's balance sheet performing? - Management expressed satisfaction with dealer health, noting no significant dealer failures despite the challenging environment [38] Question: What is the early response to the Belize product? - Management anticipates net sales around $10 million for fiscal '25, with positive dealer interest and response [42][45] Question: Any trends observed at retail in April and May? - Management noted that while retail momentum is not yet vibrant, there are signs of improvement, particularly with premium buyers [51][52]
Revolve(RVLV) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-06 20:30
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported net sales of $297 million, a year-over-year increase of 10% [29] - Operating income increased by 57% year-over-year, with adjusted EBITDA rising by 45% [6][34] - Cash and cash equivalents exceeded $300 million, increasing by $44 million or 17% in just three months [36] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - REVOLVE segment net sales increased by 11% year-over-year, while FORWARD segment net sales grew by 3% [30] - The product return rate decreased by nearly three points year-over-year, contributing to operational efficiencies [9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Domestic net sales increased by 9%, while international net sales rose by 12% year-over-year [30] - Active customers increased by 6% year-over-year, reaching 2.7 million [30] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focusing on expanding brand awareness, growing the customer base, and enhancing connections with the next generation of consumers [11] - Plans for a permanent retail store in Los Angeles are underway, with construction ongoing and an expected opening in the fall [24][26] - The company is leveraging AI technology to improve customer service and enhance the shopping experience [17] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - The management expressed confidence in navigating macroeconomic uncertainties and tariff challenges, citing a strong track record in previous turbulent times [10][43] - There is a noted shift in consumer behavior towards more accessible price points, impacting average order values [58][99] Other Important Information - The company is actively engaged in cost-sharing discussions with manufacturing partners to mitigate tariff impacts [41] - The REVOLVE Festival event significantly boosted brand awareness and marketing efficiency, with press impressions increasing by over 40% year-over-year [22] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you clarify the gross margin guidance related to tariffs? - The low end of the gross margin guidance assumes elevated tariff rates with minimal mitigation efforts [53][55] Question: How quickly can the company pivot to third-party sourced inventory? - The company can flexibly adjust sourcing but is optimistic about owned brand expansion [56] Question: Is the company seeing any impact on customer traffic due to tariff news? - There is a shift to more accessible price points affecting average order values, but no significant pullback in traffic has been observed [58][99] Question: Are there plans to increase promotional activities to stimulate demand? - The company is not changing its markdown strategy in response to market conditions but will act based on inventory balance and customer needs [69] Question: What feedback is the company receiving from third-party brands regarding price increases? - The company is collaborating closely with third-party brands, and while some price increases are anticipated, there has been no significant customer pushback yet [77]
Louisiana-Pacific(LPX) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-06 16:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Net sales for Q1 2025 were $724 million, flat compared to the prior year, as 11% growth in Siding offset lower OSB prices [8][9] - EBITDA decreased by $20 million, primarily due to lower OSB prices impacting overall performance [9][20] - The Siding business achieved a 26% EBITDA margin in Q1, with expectations for similar performance in Q2 [10][22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Siding revenue grew by 11% due to 9% higher volumes and 2% higher prices, outperforming single-family starts by 15 points [16] - OSB revenue and EBITDA were negatively impacted by lower commodity prices, resulting in a $32 million reduction in revenue and $13 million in EBITDA [20] - The Expert Finish product line set records for both volume and revenue in Q1, contributing positively to the overall Siding growth [18][86] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Single-family starts fell by 6% in Q1 due to economic volatility and unfavorable weather conditions [7] - The Siding order file remains robust, with expectations for a record second quarter [8][22] - Tariff impacts on EBITDA were approximately $2 million for Siding in Q1, with an anticipated $12 million impact for the full year if current tariffs persist [12][23] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on expanding its Siding business and introducing specialized products to drive growth and margin expansion [10][14] - There is a strategic emphasis on product innovation and market share gains, particularly in the repair and remodel sector [50][56] - The company maintains a strong liquidity position with $1 billion available, allowing for flexibility in operations and potential tariff impacts [14][21] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in the Siding business despite macroeconomic challenges, noting strong order files and growth potential [15][24] - The company anticipates year-over-year revenue growth of 9% to 10% for Siding, with EBITDA margins around 26% [22][23] - Management remains cautious about OSB pricing and market dynamics, indicating a conservative approach to forecasting [22][66] Other Important Information - The company has expanded its revolving credit facility to $750 million, which remains undrawn [21] - New product launches, such as the Naturals Collection, have received positive customer feedback and are expected to contribute to future growth [11][52] Q&A Session Summary Question: Key drivers for Siding outperformance - Management noted strength across the entire order file, particularly in shed orders and the R&R sector, contributing to strong performance [26][28] Question: Inventory levels in the channel - Management indicated that home center inventories were normalizing, with seasonal levels appropriate for the spring [30][32] Question: Siding margin progression - Management expects some margin expansion in the second half of the year, with no significant inflationary impacts materializing [40][41] Question: OSB capacity and market dynamics - Management remains bullish on OSB long-term but acknowledges current market pressures due to excess capacity and weak demand [45][46] Question: Marketing investments and order file success - Management highlighted ongoing investments in marketing and product development as key drivers for order file strength [50][52] Question: Impact of competitor mergers on market share - Management expressed confidence in their market position and ongoing efforts to gain share, regardless of competitor activities [87][100] Question: Future growth in new residential market share - Management indicated a focus on gaining market share with larger builders, with growth expected to be incremental and program-based [108][111]
DuPont: Still A Buy Long-Term, But Could Face Selling Pressure As Tariff Uncertainty Remains
Seeking Alpha· 2025-05-04 12:00
Group 1 - Many businesses are exercising caution in issuing guidance for fiscal year 2025 due to uncertainties created by tariffs and the recent Liberation Day on April 2nd [1] - The focus is particularly on companies with operations that may be affected by these external factors [1] Group 2 - The article emphasizes the importance of due diligence for investors, particularly in the context of dividend investing in quality blue-chip stocks, BDCs, and REITs [1] - There is a mention of a goal to help lower and middle-class workers build investment portfolios of high-quality, dividend-paying companies [1]
Tariff Uncertainty Casts Shadow on Apple's Quarterly Win
Schaeffers Investment Research· 2025-05-02 14:40
CEO Tim Cook said it would be "very difficult" to predict the longer-term impact of tariffsApple Inc (NASDAQ:AAPL) was among several Big Tech giants reporting earnings this week. While the iPhone maker beat analysts' revenue profit and revenue estimates for the fiscal second quarter, CEO Tim Cook noted it would be "very difficult" to predict the longer-term impact of tariffs on its products. In response, Jefferies and Rosenblatt downgraded AAPL to "underperform" and "neutral" from "hold" and "buy", respecti ...
CTO Realty Growth(CTO) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-02 14:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company reported a Core FFO of $14.4 million for Q1 2025, an increase of $3.7 million compared to $10.7 million in Q1 2024 [15] - On a per share basis, Core FFO was $0.46 in Q1 2025 compared to $0.48 in Q1 2024, primarily due to reduced leverage and downtime from re-leasing anchor spaces [16] - The net debt to EBITDA ratio was 6.6 times at the end of the quarter, slightly elevated from the previous quarter but a full turn lower than one year ago [15] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company signed over 112,000 square feet of new leases, renewals, and extensions at an average rent of $24.14 per square foot, nearly 25% higher than the in-place portfolio average of $19.41 per square foot [7] - The portfolio was 93.8% leased and 91% occupied at quarter end [9] - The signed but not opened leasing pipeline stands at $4 million of annual base rent, representing 4% of cash rents at quarter end [10] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company acquired Ashley Park for $79.8 million, with a cash cap rate near the high end of guidance, indicating strong market interest [5] - There is active tenant interest for nearly half of the 40,000 square feet of vacancy at Ashley Park, with 200,000 square feet of shop space paying below market rent [6] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company continues to focus on acquiring properties in growth markets in the Southeast and Southwest, with a strong pipeline of potential acquisitions [6] - The management is optimistic about the leasing outlook for anchor spaces previously leased to tenants that filed for bankruptcy, expecting a positive cash leasing spread of 40% to 60% [9] - The company is also considering recycling assets into higher yielding properties as market conditions improve [32] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that despite tariff uncertainties, the company is well-positioned with high-quality properties and a diversified tenant base [10] - The management reaffirmed full-year 2025 guidance for Core FFO per share of $1.80 to $1.86 and AFFO of $1.93 to $1.98, with consistent underlying assumptions [18] Other Important Information - The company executed two SOFR swaps, fixing SOFR for $100 million of principal at a weighted average rate of 3.32% for five years, reducing the applicable interest rate significantly [12] - The company extinguished $51 million of convertible notes, resulting in a charge of approximately $20.5 million to be recorded in Q2 [14] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more detail on the anchor space negotiations? - Management indicated that leasing activity has been strong and consistent, with no pauses in discussions despite market volatility [21] Question: What drove the new lease spreads? - The increase in lease spreads was primarily due to two significant leases that accounted for a large portion of new leasing activity, driving spreads over 80% [23] Question: What is the expected CapEx for bankrupt tenant spaces? - The expected CapEx for re-leasing is in the range of $9 million to $12 million, with little spent so far as tenants need to complete their work before reimbursements [30][58] Question: How does the company plan to fund new investments? - The company plans to handle funding internally with liquidity and is considering selling remaining office properties to enhance capital [32] Question: Have cap rates changed since the tariff announcement? - Management noted that cap rates for core assets have remained stable or decreased, with strong demand in the shopping center market [49] Question: What is the timeline for marking to market on recent acquisitions? - Management expects to see movement in lease rates for recent acquisitions by mid-next year as they work through tenant transitions [52]