Jenny 是一个同时理解中美文化、创业、研究与投资的人。她从小在美国长大，2021 年加入 OpenAI，并在 ChatGPT 爆火一周后选择离开，合伙创立了自己的基 金。前一阵她回国，我们借机聊了聊中美 AI 创投之间的差异。 P.S. 本期节目录制于 2025.12.22。几天后，Manus 被微软收购的消息披露。回头再看，Jenny 分享的许多投资思路和对美国市场的判断，其实都有所映照。 本期播客原文约 23000 字，本文经过删减整理后约 7700 字。 曲凯 ：你这两年观察到的几个最主要的 milestones 是什么？ Jenny ：在 23 年，中美都有一个非常明确的共识：投大模型。在美国，就是持续给 OpenAI、Anthropic 这样的公司投钱。这些公司这两年发展得很快，也确实拿 走了行业里大部分的利润。 23 年的另一个共识是，很多人觉得应用只是「套壳」，很轻、很薄，没什么价值。 但到了 24、25 年，这个判断开始发生变化，因为很多应用层公司逐渐做出了自己的特色和护城河，比如 Cursor、Perplexity。 最近两年，Agent 很火。但在真实场景中，AI Agent 的落地依 ...

Core Viewpoint - The integration of AI in the fintech sector is poised to revolutionize financial services, but it faces unique challenges such as data scarcity, high accuracy requirements, and the need for algorithmic transparency [2][4][21]. Group 1: Challenges in AI and Fintech Integration - Vertical data scarcity is a significant challenge as financial data is heavily regulated and not readily available [2]. - The financial sector demands extremely high accuracy, with a near-zero tolerance for errors, especially in monetary contexts [3]. - There is a critical need for algorithmic explainability in finance, requiring models to provide clear reasoning behind their conclusions [4]. Group 2: Industry Opportunities and Trends - The financial services market is vast, estimated at $36 trillion, indicating substantial opportunities for AI-driven startups in this space [8]. - Wealth transfer from older generations to younger ones is expected to create market opportunities, with 30% of global wealth shifting to the 90s and 00s generations over the next decade [9]. - The democratization of finance is a key trend, where advanced AI technologies can provide high-quality financial services to a broader audience, previously accessible only to wealthy clients [10]. Group 3: Product Case Studies - Cleo, an AI-driven personal finance assistant, targets young users and helps them make informed financial decisions [11]. - Bobby, developed by the company, serves as a 24/7 investment partner, assisting users throughout the investment process [12]. - Rogo is designed for young analysts in traditional financial institutions, showcasing the application of AI in professional settings [13]. Group 4: AI Agent Development and Functionality - The company has spent two years developing a vertical AI agent architecture, leading to the creation of Bobby AI, which aims to transform user interactions in financial services [16]. - Key features of Bobby AI include natural language interaction, precise task breakdown, and personalized user experiences [17][19][20]. - Bobby AI can facilitate complex investment actions through simple user expressions, enhancing accessibility for users [26]. Group 5: Core Challenges in AI Implementation - Technical challenges involve balancing timeliness, accuracy, and cost in the financial sector, necessitating a deep understanding of user needs [21]. - Trust is a significant concern, as users must learn to trust AI systems over traditional financial advisors, requiring time to build brand and product confidence [22]. - Regulatory compliance is complex in finance, with varying requirements across countries, making it essential for AI firms to navigate these regulations effectively [23]. Group 6: Future Outlook - The launch of Bobby AI is just the beginning, with expectations that many AI startups in finance will reshape various financial services, including digital banking and wealth management [30]. - The belief in financial and technological equity suggests that the next decade will bring significant changes to the financial landscape, driven by AI innovations [30].