2025年8月8日，在经历了多次"跳票"之后，OpenAI发布了新一代旗舰模型GPT-5。一经推出，GPT-5便冲上大模型竞技场榜首，并在写作、编程等全方面 排名第一。 与此同时，OpenAI的ChatGPT负责人Nick Turley做客播客节目《Lenny's Podcast》，与主持人探讨了这款还未面世便已经引起了种种争议的大模型。Nick Turley曾是Dropbox和Instacart的产品负责人，如今他加入OpenAI，负责这个或许是全世界最举足轻重的科技产品。 Nick Turley为人低调，这是他首次接受深度访谈。对话中，他详细介绍了对GPT-5的最初构思、创新之处、商业化设计以及OpenAI的企业经营哲学。 本次访谈由Lenny Rachitsky主持，经未来人类实验室整理编译，以下为本次播客内容的精华—— ●Nick Turley 1.GPT-5：迄今为止，最聪明的AI大模型？ 主持人：给听众简单介绍下GPT-5吧，它有什么突破？普通人能用它来做什么？ Nick Turley：GPT-5会是质的飞跃。现有7亿用户大多还在用GPT-4o，甚至不关心底层模型。但GPT-5会让他们明显感觉到不 ...

Group 1 - OpenAI plans to develop ChatGPT into a "super assistant" with T-shaped skills, capable of understanding user needs and performing a variety of tasks [1][5] - T-shaped skills refer to a combination of broad basic skills for everyday tasks and deep expertise for complex tasks, such as programming and data analysis [5] - OpenAI's new models, o2 and o3, are advanced enough to reliably execute agent tasks, and new interaction paradigms like multimodal and generative UI enhance user engagement [5] Group 2 - OpenAI emphasizes the importance of hardware in its strategy, hinting at collaboration with former Apple designer Jony Ive, although specific hardware details are not disclosed [5] - OpenAI advocates for user choice in AI assistants across platforms like iOS, Android, and Windows, urging companies like Apple, Google, and Microsoft to allow default AI settings and open underlying index interfaces to ChatGPT [5][6] - The competitive landscape shows Apple's AI strategy as somewhat disorganized, with leadership changes in Siri and delays in projects intended to respond to ChatGPT [6]

Core Insights - OpenAI's mission is to ensure that general artificial intelligence (AGI) benefits all of humanity, with ChatGPT serving as an intuitive AI super assistant for global internet interaction [2] - The company aims to develop a T-shaped skill super assistant by the first half of 2025, capable of performing intelligent, trustworthy, and emotionally intelligent tasks [3] - OpenAI identifies its competitors in two layers: consumer-level AI chatbots and broader internet interfaces, with Apple and Meta posing significant threats [6][10] Development Goals - OpenAI's primary goal for the first half of 2025 is to create a super assistant that can handle both mundane tasks and complex professional tasks [3] - The company plans to enhance ChatGPT's capabilities through advanced models and tools, aiming for a seamless user experience across various platforms [3][9] Revenue and Growth Strategy - OpenAI acknowledges that revenue growth may not always align with user growth but plans to introduce new premium features and enterprise solutions to mitigate this [4] - The company aims to drive daily active user growth through proprietary models and brand trust, while also focusing on improving model quality and expanding use cases [8] Competitive Landscape - OpenAI sees itself as a leader in the consumer AI chatbot space but recognizes the need for continuous improvement in user interface and model performance to maintain its edge [6][7] - The company views search engines and browsers as competitors, emphasizing the need to attract users through diverse scenarios rather than direct confrontation [6] Unique Advantages - OpenAI boasts several competitive advantages, including rapid product growth, a defining brand, leading research capabilities, and a strong team of contributors [7] - The company does not rely on advertising, allowing for greater flexibility in product development [7] Future Plans - OpenAI plans to develop a robust search engine index and integrate external tools and services, with a focus on security and partnerships [9] - The company aims to establish a developer platform that supports operational capabilities, enhancing ChatGPT's functionality [9] User Perception - Different generations use ChatGPT in varying ways, with younger users viewing it as a consultant and older users as a search tool replacement [10] - The statement "ChatGPT is ChatGPT" reflects its evolution from an application to a new default setting in user interaction [11]