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Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, below expectations, but the company anticipates a progressive recovery throughout the year [5][11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew 3% year over year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while Zenvia Customer Cloud revenues increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][12] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [9][21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25% to 30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role [12][36] - There are ongoing evaluations for divesting non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [12][28] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but believes the current strategy will lead to long-term profitability [20][23] - The company is optimistic about the future, expecting to transition from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model [35][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by R$9 million, or 27%, compared to the same period last year, bringing the G&A to revenues ratio down to 9% [5][10] - The company has implemented strict expense management since the end of 2022, resulting in significant cost savings [10][11] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth of approximately 25% and gross margins close to 70% [16] Question: Are tight margins on the CPaaS side the new level? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end as cost increases from carriers are passed through [20][21] Question: How is the enterprise side performing for both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has seen adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by enterprise customers, which was not the initial focus, indicating a positive shift in strategy [24][25] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 to R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt, leading to considerations for asset divestment [26][28]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, below expectations, but the company anticipates a progressive recovery throughout the year [5][11] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew 3% year-over-year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while revenues from Zenvia Customer Cloud increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][12] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [9][21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25%-30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role [12][36] - There are ongoing evaluations for divesting non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [12][26] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but remains confident in the long-term strategy [20][23] - The company aims to transition from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model over the next two to three years [35][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by 27% year-over-year, contributing to a lower G&A to revenues ratio of 9% in the quarter [5][10] - The company has implemented a workforce reduction of approximately 15%, expected to yield cost savings of R$30 million to R$35 million for the full year 2024 [10][12] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth of approximately 25% and gross margins close to 70% [16][15] Question: Are tight margins in CPaaS the new level, or should we expect recovery? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure due to competition, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end [20][21] Question: How are the dynamics for enterprise customers in both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has seen adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by enterprise customers, which was not the initial focus, but is proving successful [24][25] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 million-R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt [26][27]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-09-11 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q2 2025, the company reported a strong top-line growth of 24%, primarily driven by CPaaS and the rollout of Zenvia Customer Cloud [3][4] - Consolidated adjusted gross profit fell to R$69 million, with a gross margin down to 24%, although this margin remained stable compared to Q1 [4][5] - Normalized EBITDA for the quarter was R$11 million, which was below expectations, but a progressive recovery is anticipated throughout the year [5][12] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - SaaS revenues grew by 3% year over year in Q2, mainly from SMB customers, while Zenvia Customer Cloud revenues increased by 23% in the first half of the year [5][6] - CPaaS revenues were up by 33%, accounting for 72% of total revenues, but this higher mix with low margins negatively impacted gross profits and margins [7][10] - Adjusted gross profit for the SaaS business was up 5% year over year to R$45 million, with adjusted gross margin slightly up by 1 percentage point to 55% [8][9] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market remains highly volatile and competitive, particularly affecting profitability in the short term [4][13] - The company expects CPaaS margins to normalize closer to 20% by Q4 of this year [10][22] Company Strategy and Development Direction - Zenvia Customer Cloud is positioned as the new core business, with expectations of 25% to 30% growth in 2025 [6][12] - The company is focusing on streamlining operations and enhancing efficiency, with AI playing a significant role in both client delivery and internal operations [13][36] - There is an ongoing evaluation of options to divest non-core assets to optimize the balance sheet [13][29] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the competitive landscape and pricing pressures but believes that the current strategy will lead to long-term profitability recovery [22][25] - The company is confident in achieving a solid foundation for 2026, with expectations of improved profitability levels by the end of the year [12][36] Other Important Information - G&A expenses decreased by R$9 million, or 27%, compared to the same period last year, bringing the G&A to revenues ratio down to 9% [5][11] - The company has seen a significant reduction in G&A expenses, now at one-third of what it was in the first half of 2022 [11] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more color on forward guidance for Zenvia Customer Cloud? - The company maintains expectations of around R$200 million in revenues for Zenvia Customer Cloud, with growth around 25% and gross margin close to 70% [18][19] Question: Are tight margins on the CPaaS side the new level? - Management indicated that while margins are under pressure, they expect stabilization at a higher level by year-end as cost increases from carriers are passed through [22][23] Question: How is the enterprise side performing for both Zenvia Customer Cloud and the rest of SaaS? - The company has been able to retain enterprise customers and is seeing adoption of Zenvia Customer Cloud by these clients, which was not the initial focus [26][27] Question: Can you provide insights on cash flow and divestitures? - The trailing 12 months EBITDA is close to R$100 million, with approximately R$60 to R$65 million in cash flow available to serve debt, indicating a near break-even position by year-end [28][29] Question: What will the business look like in two to three years? - The company aims to become a leading AI CX SaaS provider, transitioning from volatile revenues to a more stable, high-margin business model [36][38]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q2 - Earnings Call Presentation
2025-09-11 14:00
Financial Performance - Zenvia's net revenues increased from BRL 231 million in Q2 2024 to BRL 286 million in Q2 2025[4] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross profit increased from BRL 100.2 million in Q2 2024 to BRL 101 million in Q2 2025[11] - EBITDA decreased from BRL 34 million in Q2 2024 to BRL 11 million in Q2 2025[6] - General & Administrative (G&A) expenses decreased by 25% from H1 2024 to H1 2025, from BRL 64.6 million to BRL 48.2 million[14] Segment Performance - Zenvia Customer Cloud (SaaS) revenues increased 23% year-over-year[7] - CPaaS revenue mix increased, impacting gross profit[7] - SaaS revenue mix increased from 66% to 72%, while CPaaS decreased from 34% to 28%[8] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin for SaaS increased slightly from 54.5% to 55.4%[11] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin for CPaaS decreased from 43.3% to 24.1%[11] Strategic Initiatives - The company is on track to deliver expected savings of BRL 30-35 million from workforce reduction[13] - Zenvia Customer Cloud is on track for 25-30% growth in FY 2025[7]
ZENVIA Reports Q2 2025 Results
Prnewswire· 2025-09-10 22:30
Core Insights - Zenvia Inc. reported a 23% year-over-year increase in revenues from its Zenvia Customer Cloud services, indicating a successful transition strategy [2][3] - The company anticipates a full-year growth of 25% to 30% for Zenvia Customer Cloud in 2025, driven by strong adoption among new customers [2] - Despite revenue growth, Zenvia faced profitability challenges due to intense competition in the CPaaS market, leading to a significant decline in gross profit margins [2][12] Financial Performance - Q2 2025 revenues reached BRL 285.7 million, up 23.6% from BRL 231.2 million in Q2 2024, with CPaaS revenues growing by 33% [3][23] - Gross profit for Q2 2025 was BRL 56.4 million, a decrease of 35.6% compared to BRL 87.5 million in Q2 2024, resulting in a gross margin of 19.7% [3][23] - Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit for Q2 2025 was BRL 68.8 million, down 31.3% year-over-year, with a Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin of 24.1% [3][29] SaaS Business Highlights - SaaS revenues increased by 3% year-over-year in Q2 2025, totaling BRL 80.6 million, primarily driven by Zenvia Customer Cloud [8][10] - Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit from the SaaS segment was BRL 44.7 million, reflecting a 5% increase year-over-year, with a Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin of 55.4% [9][29] - The total active customer base for the SaaS segment was 5,783, indicating ongoing customer engagement despite competitive pressures [6][8] CPaaS Business Highlights - CPaaS revenues reached BRL 205.1 million in Q2 2025, a 33.3% increase from BRL 153.9 million in Q2 2024, driven by higher SMS volumes [11][12] - However, Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit for the CPaaS segment fell by 58% to BRL 24.1 million, resulting in a Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin of 11.8% [11][12] - The total active customers in the CPaaS segment decreased by 28.1% year-over-year, totaling 3,958, reflecting challenges in maintaining customer relationships [11][12] Cost Management and Future Outlook - General and administrative expenses decreased by 25% year-over-year in H1 2025, contributing to a G&A as a percentage of revenues of 8.3% [10][17] - Normalized EBITDA for H1 2025 was positive at BRL 31 million, although below expectations, indicating a need for continued focus on profitability [18][10] - The company aims to return to normalized profitability levels by year-end 2025, establishing a solid foundation for growth in 2026 [2][18]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2025 Q1 - Earnings Call Presentation
2025-07-03 12:59
Financial Performance - Zenvia's net revenues increased from BRL 213 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 296 million in Q1 2025[4] - G&A expenses decreased from BRL 31 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 24 million in Q1 2025[4] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross profit decreased from BRL 93.6 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 74.2 million in Q1 2025[10] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin consolidated decreased from 44% in Q1 2024 to 25.1% in Q1 2025[4] - EBITDA decreased from BRL 23 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 20 million in Q1 2025[4] - EBITDA minus CAPEX decreased from BRL 11.2 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 10.1 million in Q1 2025[16] Business Segments - CPaaS revenue increased from BRL 136 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 215 million in Q1 2025[7] - SaaS revenue increased from BRL 77 million in Q1 2024 to BRL 81 million in Q1 2025[7] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin for SaaS decreased from 56.4% in Q1 2024 to 53.7% in Q1 2025[4] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin for CPaaS decreased from 37% in Q1 2024 to 14.3% in Q1 2025[10]
ZENVIA Reports Q1 2025 Results
Prnewswire· 2025-07-02 21:00
Core Insights - Zenvia Inc. reported a strong revenue growth of 39.2% year-over-year, reaching BRL 295.9 million in Q1 2025, driven primarily by a 58.5% increase in CPaaS revenues [11][24][13] - The transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud is progressing as planned, with expectations for completion by year-end 2025, which is anticipated to enhance long-term performance [2][6] - General and administrative expenses (G&A) decreased by 24% year-over-year, resulting in G&A as a percentage of revenues improving to 8.0% [17][18] Financial Performance - Normalized EBITDA for Q1 2025 was BRL 20 million, down 15.1% from Q1 2024, attributed to lower gross profit from the CPaaS segment due to increased SMS costs [11][18] - Gross profit decreased by 23.7% year-over-year to BRL 61.7 million, with a gross margin of 20.8%, down 17.2 percentage points from the previous year [11][24] - Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit reached BRL 74.2 million, a decline of 20.8% year-over-year, with a Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin of 25.1% [11][31] Segment Analysis CPaaS Business - CPaaS revenues totaled BRL 215.2 million, reflecting a 58.5% increase year-over-year, although Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Profit fell by 38.7% to BRL 30.8 million, resulting in a Non-GAAP Adjusted Gross Margin of 14.3% [10][13] - The growth in CPaaS was primarily driven by higher SMS volumes from large clients, which have lower margins [11][15] SaaS Business - SaaS revenues increased by 5.1% year-over-year to BRL 80.7 million, with a slight increase in gross profit to BRL 30.9 million, but the gross margin decreased to 38.2% [7][9] - The transition to Zenvia Customer Cloud is impacting SaaS margins, which are expected to improve as the business scales [9][16] Customer Metrics - Total active customers decreased to 10,462, down 21.1% year-over-year, with a notable decline in both SaaS and CPaaS customer bases [11][24] - Active customers in the SaaS segment were 5,668, down 20.6% year-over-year, while CPaaS active customers were 4,794, down 25.8% [10][11]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-20 15:02
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Revenues reached BRL 231 million, up 7% year over year, primarily driven by strong volume growth in CPaaS, offsetting declines in SaaS revenues [15][18] - Adjusted gross profit declined 60% to BRL 49 million, with gross margin decreasing to 21% due to a higher mix from lower-margin CPaaS growth and a one-time SMS cost adjustment of BRL 27.8 million [15][16] - EBITDA, excluding certain expenses, closed the quarter at BRL 35 million, a 6% decline from BRL 37 million in Q4 2023 [17] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Customer Cloud generated revenues of approximately BRL 180 million in 2024, with nearly 6,000 companies using the platform, 20% of which were international [13] - CPaaS market grew 25% year over year, while SaaS grew at high single digits, indicating a more dynamic CPaaS environment compared to previous years [18][19] - SaaS margins declined due to tighter profitability from enterprise clients and higher costs related to the launch of Customer Cloud [17] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The CPaaS market is expected to continue growing at a strong double-digit pace in the coming years, with the company anticipating a 25% to 30% growth in Customer Cloud for 2025 [14][18] - International expansion, particularly in Argentina and Mexico, is performing well and contributing positively to Customer Cloud's success [10][11] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company has entered its fourth strategic cycle focused on accelerating growth in its newly defined core business, the Zenvia Customer Cloud [7][11] - A shift to a volume-based pricing model is being implemented, allowing clients to pay based on interactions rather than a per-seat model, enhancing operational efficiency [10][41] - The company is committed to streamlining operations further with AI playing a key role, while also evaluating opportunities for divestment to optimize capital structure [25][51] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about the early improvements seen in Q1 2025, with expectations of revenue growth picking up and SaaS margin recovery [26][58] - The company is focused on leveraging its unified platform and market opportunities to drive organic growth while reducing leverage to strengthen its financial foundation [11][25] Other Important Information - The company has successfully reduced G&A expenses by 33 million BRL over the past two years, improving productivity and profitability [21] - A headcount reduction is projected to generate additional cost savings of 30 to 35 million BRL in 2025 [21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide clarity on Zenvia's full year 2025 revenue outlook? - The Customer Cloud segment is projected to grow by 25% to 30%, while traditional SaaS and CPaaS business lines are expected to see flattish to 5% growth [31][32] Question: What is the current status of your plan for divestments? - The company is evaluating divestment alternatives opportunistically to improve capital structure and deleverage the balance sheet [35][36] Question: What new trends are emerging with AI integration? - The company is seeing the adoption of more interconnected use cases that combine customer data to create sophisticated customer journeys [38] Question: Can you elaborate on the shift to charging per interaction? - The company has transitioned to a usage-based pricing model, which encourages deeper software adoption and operational efficiency for clients [40][41] Question: Will gross margins for both SaaS and CPaaS return to previous levels? - SaaS gross margins are expected to return to around 45-50%, while CPaaS margins should normalize closer to 25% [49][50] Question: What are the main goals for 2025? - The primary goals include leveraging the balance sheet and improving EBITDA compared to 2024 [51][52]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Transcript
2025-05-20 15:00
Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - In Q4 2024, revenues reached BRL 231 million, up 7% year over year, primarily driven by strong volume growth in CPaaS, offsetting declines in SaaS revenues [16][20] - Adjusted gross profit declined 60% to BRL 49 million, with gross margin decreasing to 21% due to a higher mix of lower-margin CPaaS growth and a one-time SMS cost adjustment of BRL 27.8 million recognized in Q4 [16][17] - EBITDA, excluding certain expenses, closed the quarter at BRL 35 million, a 6% decline from BRL 37 million in Q4 2023 [19] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - The Customer Cloud segment generated revenues of approximately BRL 180 million in 2024, with an expected growth of 25% to 30% in 2025 [14][15] - CPaaS market grew 25% year over year between 2023 and 2024, while SaaS grew at high single digits, indicating a more dynamic CPaaS market [20] - SaaS margins declined due to tighter profitability from enterprise clients and higher costs related to the launch of the Customer Cloud [19] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The market for Customer Cloud solutions is expected to continue growing at a strong double-digit pace in the coming years, supported by advanced automation and AI [15] - International expansion, particularly in Argentina and Mexico, is performing well and contributing positively to the Customer Cloud segment [11][12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company has entered its fourth strategic cycle focused on accelerating growth in its newly defined core business, the Zenvia Customer Cloud [7][12] - A shift to a volume-based pricing model is being implemented, allowing clients to pay based on interactions rather than a per-seat model, enhancing operational efficiency [11][12] - The company is committed to streamlining operations further with AI and automation, while also evaluating opportunities for divestments to optimize capital structure [28][54] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed optimism about the early improvements seen in Q1 2025, with expectations of revenue growth picking up and SaaS margin recovery [30][60] - The company is focused on leveraging its unified platform and market opportunities to drive organic growth and profitability while reducing leverage [12][28] Other Important Information - The company ended 2024 with a cash balance of BRL 117 million and expects EBITDA to continue growing at a faster pace than CapEx [26] - G&A expenses were reduced by 11% year over year, contributing to improved operational efficiency [24][23] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide clarity on Zenvia's full year 2025 revenue outlook? - The Customer Cloud segment is projected to grow 25% to 30%, while traditional SaaS and CPaaS business lines are expected to see flat to modest growth [34][35] Question: What is the current status of your divestment plans? - Specific details on divestments cannot be shared, but the focus is on improving capital structure and deleveraging the balance sheet [37][38] Question: What new trends are emerging with AI integration? - The company is seeing a shift towards more interconnected use cases that leverage customer data for personalized experiences [40] Question: How is the pricing model evolving? - The company is moving towards a usage-based pricing model, charging per interaction rather than per seat, which is expected to enhance efficiency and revenue [41][43] Question: What are the main goals for 2025? - The primary goals include improving EBITDA and aligning it better with the capital structure, while also focusing on organic growth and customer engagement [53][55]
Zenvia (ZENV) - 2024 Q4 - Earnings Call Presentation
2025-05-20 12:39
Financial Performance - Zenvia's new core business model emphasizes flexibility and scalability[8] - In December 2024, Zenvia served approximately 6,000 companies, with 20% being international clients[10] - Zenvia's SaaS NRE was at 100% in Q4 2024[17] - Q4 net revenues increased from R$217 million to R$231 million[12] - Full year revenues increased from R$757 million in 2022 to R$808 million in 2023 and R$960 million in 2024[16] - The company had a cash balance of R$117 million at the end of 2024[26] Profitability and Margins - Zenvia anticipates revenue growth of 25-30% in 2025, with gross margins estimated at 68-70% and a positive EBITDA margin[10] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross profit for SaaS decreased from R$1883 million in 2023 to R$1791 million in 2024[19] - Non-GAAP adjusted gross margin for SaaS decreased from 638% in 2023 to 562% in 2024[19] - General & Administrative (G&A) expenses decreased by 22%[22]