Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For the third quarter, net sales decreased by 3%, with a 2% decrease in local currency excluding the Kichler divestiture [8][14] - Operating profit was $312 million, with an operating profit margin of 16.3% [8][15] - Earnings per share for the quarter was $0.97 [8][15] - Adjusted earnings per share for 2025 is now anticipated to be in the range of $3.90-$3.95, down from a previous expectation of $3.90-$4.10 [11][23] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Plumbing sales increased by 1% in local currency, with North American plumbing sales also up by 1% driven by favorable pricing [8][9] - Decorative Architectural segment sales decreased by 12%, or 6% excluding the Kichler divestiture, with operating profit for the segment at $128 million and an operating margin of 19.1% [9][10] - Total paint sales decreased in low single digits, with DIY paint sales down mid-single digits due to soft demand [10][17] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - International plumbing sales were in line with the prior year in local currency, with growth in many European markets but challenges in China [9][16] - The overall market environment remains volatile, with expectations for the U.S. and international repair and remodel markets to decrease low single digits in 2025 [20][21] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to unlock opportunities through strong execution, strategic investments, and innovation in product offerings [7][12] - Focus on maintaining agility in response to macroeconomic uncertainties and rising costs while continuing to drive long-term shareholder value [11][13] - The company is committed to capital deployment strategies, returning $188 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases in the quarter [11][19] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that while near-term market conditions are challenging, structural factors for repair and remodel activity remain strong [12][13] - The company is focused on mitigating tariff impacts and expects to continue to gain market share in key growth areas [12][21] - Management expressed confidence in the strength of their brands and innovative products to deliver long-term value [14][13] Other Important Information - The company generated strong free cash flow and maintained a solid balance sheet, with gross debt to EBITDA at 2x at quarter end [18] - The total annualized cost impact of tariffs is estimated to be approximately $270 million, with ongoing efforts to mitigate these costs [20][21] Q&A Session Summary Question: Impact of competitor price increases on paint pricing outlook - Management indicated that they do not expect significant pricing increases on paint as they maintain a price-cost neutrality relationship with The Home Depot [25][27] Question: Long-term impact of tariffs on plumbing margins - Management acknowledged the volatility of tariffs and emphasized ongoing mitigation efforts to offset costs and restore margins over time [28][30] Question: Surprises in plumbing margins for Q3 - Management noted that Q3 results were impacted by tariffs, industry softness, and elevated commodity costs, with some unexpected adjustments in inventory reserves [34][35] Question: Dynamics in builders' hardware business - Management explained that the builders' hardware business faced softness in sales due to industry-wide challenges and a planned shipping process change [37] Question: Clarification on inventory reserves - Management confirmed that inventory-related adjustments were larger than typical due to market conditions, impacting plumbing segment margins [101][102]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company achieved 4% net sales growth in Q3 2025, with 3% organic daily sales growth and 11% growth in adjusted EBITDA compared to the prior year [5][14]. - Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter increased 11% to $127.5 million, with an adjusted EBITDA margin improvement of 60 basis points to 10.1% [16][28]. - Net income attributable to the company increased 33% to $59 million due to net sales growth, improved gross margin, and SG&A leverage [27]. Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Organic sales volume grew 2% during Q3, with maintenance-related demand remaining steady and achieving 3% organic daily sales growth in agronomic products [14][25]. - Landscaping products also saw a 3% increase in organic daily sales due to sales initiatives and improved pricing [25]. - Acquisition sales contributed approximately $13 million or 1% to net sales growth [26]. Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company estimates it holds about an 18% share of the $25 billion wholesale landscape products distribution market, indicating significant long-term growth opportunities [8]. - Seven out of nine regions achieved positive organic daily sales growth in Q3, although sales in Sun Belt states like Texas were weaker due to softness in new residential construction [25][41]. Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to leverage its scale and resources to deliver superior value to customers and suppliers while focusing on organic growth and acquisitions [9][10]. - The acquisition strategy is expected to continue filling in product lines and expanding geographic reach, with six acquisitions completed in 2025 so far [22][38]. - The company plans to consolidate or close 15 to 20 branches to optimize its footprint and cost structure [45]. Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management expressed confidence in driving continued performance and growth despite softer end markets heading into 2026 [6][41]. - The outlook for the fourth quarter includes expectations for low single-digit organic daily sales growth, driven by commercial initiatives and modest price inflation [44][45]. - Management noted that the repair and upgrade market has begun to stabilize, which is a positive sign for future growth [60][44]. Other Important Information - The company has a strong balance sheet with available liquidity of approximately $685 million [30]. - The effective tax rate for Q3 was 20.4%, down from 26.2% in the prior year, primarily due to increased excess tax benefits from stock-based compensation [27]. - The company has repurchased approximately 656,000 shares for a total of approximately $78 million year to date, reflecting a commitment to disciplined capital allocation [28]. Q&A Session Summary Question: Why is the charge not excluded from adjusted EBITDA guidance? - The company maintains strict guidelines for adjusted EBITDA, which primarily reflect acquisitions and adjustments within the first year [50]. Question: What is the pricing outlook for agronomic versus landscape products? - Pricing for landscape products was up 1%, while agronomic products were flat. The expectation for Q4 pricing is between 1% and 2% [51][53]. Question: Are you seeing positive organic sales growth in October? - Yes, positive organic sales growth is being observed in October, although the fourth quarter is a tougher comp due to weather impacts [59]. Question: How is the competitive landscape changing? - The company has not seen unusual changes in competitor behavior, although competition naturally increases in softer markets [68]. Question: Will branch closures affect the ability to serve a recovering market? - The company believes it can fully serve a stronger market with its current network and has the capacity to add associates as needed [73]. Question: What is the outlook for SG&A improvements? - The company expects to continue achieving SG&A leverage improvements through the rest of the year [93]. Question: How does the company view the M&A landscape moving forward? - The company anticipates a higher acquisition activity in 2026 compared to 2025, focusing on well-run companies rather than turnaround opportunities [86][88].

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For the third quarter, net sales decreased by 3%, and in local currency, excluding the Kichler divestiture, sales decreased by 2% [6][11] - Operating profit was $312 million, with an operating profit margin of 16.3% [6][12] - Earnings per share for the quarter was $0.97 [6][12] - Gross margin was 34.6%, impacted by higher tariffs and commodity costs [11][12] - The company anticipates adjusted earnings per share for 2025 to be in the range of $3.90 to $3.95, down from a previous expectation of $3.90 to $4.10 [9][10] Business Segment Data and Key Metrics Changes - Plumbing sales increased by 1% in local currency, driven by favorable pricing, with North American plumbing sales also up by 1% [6][14] - Decorative Architectural segment sales decreased by 12%, or 6% excluding the Kichler divestiture, with operating profit for the segment at $128 million and an operating margin of 19.1% [7][15] - Total paint sales decreased in low single digits, with DIY paint sales down mid-single digits due to soft demand [8][15] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - International plumbing sales were in line with the prior year in local currency, with growth in many European markets but challenges in China [7][14] - The U.S. and international repair and remodel markets are expected to decrease low single digits in 2025 [19] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company aims to unlock opportunities through strong execution, strategic investments, and innovative product introductions [5][10] - Focus on maintaining agility in response to macroeconomic uncertainties and rising costs [9][10] - The company is committed to capital deployment, returning $188 million to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases [9][16] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management noted that near-term market conditions remain a headwind, but the company is focused on growing market share and driving long-term shareholder value [6][10] - Structural factors for repair and remodel activity remain strong, including aging housing stock and high home equity levels [10][19] - Management expressed confidence in the company's ability to navigate dynamic environments and deliver long-term value [10][11] Other Important Information - The company generated strong free cash flow and maintained a solid balance sheet, with gross debt to EBITDA at two times [16] - The total annualized cost impact of tariffs is estimated at approximately $270 million, with ongoing efforts to mitigate these costs [18][19] Q&A Session Summary Question: Impact of competitor price increases on paint pricing outlook - Management indicated that they do not expect significant pricing increases for paint as they maintain a price-cost neutrality relationship with The Home Depot [23][24] Question: Long-term impact of tariffs on plumbing margins - Management discussed ongoing efforts to mitigate tariff impacts through sourcing changes and pricing actions, aiming to offset costs and restore margins over time [25][26] Question: Surprises in plumbing margins for Q3 - Management noted that Q3 results were impacted by tariffs, industry softness, and elevated commodity costs, with adjustments in inventory reserves also affecting margins [29][30] Question: Dynamics in builders' hardware business - Management explained that the builders' hardware business faced softness in sales due to shipping timing changes but does not expect significant impacts for the full year [32][33] Question: Inventory reserves and their impact - Management clarified that adjustments in inventory reserves were larger than typical due to market conditions, impacting plumbing segment margins [84][85]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Consolidated sales increased at the high end of the guided range, with adjusted EBITDA margin expanding by 60 basis points to 21.4% and adjusted diluted EPS growing by 6.5% [4][6] - SG&A growth moderated to the low single-digit percentage level, in line with expectations, driven by control of general and administrative expenses [5][6] - The company returned $864 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends [6] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - **Paint Stores Group**: Sales increased by a mid-single-digit percentage, with price mix up at the high end of low single digits and volume up low single digits [8] - **Consumer Brands Group**: Sales exceeded expectations, with price mix up low single digits and volume down mid-single digits, reflecting continued softness in North America DIY [10] - **Performance Coatings Group**: Sales were in line with expectations, with volume, acquisitions, and FX all increasing by low single digits, but offset by unfavorable price mix [11][12] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The company outperformed the market in all segments served, with residential repaint sales growing by mid-single digits despite negative existing home sales [8] - Commercial sales were up mid-single digits, while new residential sales increased by low single digits despite a slight decline in single-family completions [9] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company continues to focus on growth investments, controlling costs, and leveraging a unique competitive environment to drive profitability [4][7] - The acquisition of Suvinil is expected to enhance the Consumer Brands Group's portfolio in Latin America, with significant growth opportunities anticipated [11][48] - The company plans to continue investing in growth initiatives, including opening 80-100 North America paint stores for the year [15] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management indicated that the demand environment remains soft and choppy, with minimal positive catalysts expected in the near term [16][20] - Raw material costs are expected to increase by low single digits, with healthcare costs anticipated to rise by low double digits [17] - The company is focused on maintaining discipline in pricing and cost control while pursuing growth opportunities [18][94] Other Important Information - The company temporarily paused matching contributions to its 401(k) plan to preserve jobs and protect the company during a period of prolonged demand uncertainty [13][14] - The company is moving into a new headquarters and R&D center in Cleveland, with expectations for CapEx to return to around 2% of sales next year [19][20] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more details on the 7% price increase for Paint Stores Group? - Management explained that the price increase is driven by higher year-over-year costs and the need to balance volume growth with pricing effectiveness [23][25] Question: What mortgage rates are needed to catalyze demand in the Paint Stores Group? - Management indicated that around 6% mortgage rates could drive stronger existing home turnover, which is crucial for demand [32][33] Question: How does the company define the efficiency of its investment spending? - Management emphasized a disciplined approach to evaluating returns on investments in stores and sales representatives, with a focus on profitability [38][39] Question: What actions are planned for the Suvinil acquisition? - Management expressed excitement about the acquisition, highlighting opportunities for synergies and growth in the Consumer Brands Group [46][48] Question: What is the outlook for the second half of next year? - Management noted that current trends do not indicate a strong recovery, emphasizing a pragmatic approach to forecasting [50] Question: Can you discuss the negative operating leverage in Performance Coatings despite positive sales? - Management attributed this to unfavorable mix by region and business, but expects moderation in the fourth quarter [78][80]

Core Viewpoint - UBS has raised its earnings per share estimates for Minmetals Holdings (01999) for the fiscal years 2026 to 2028 by 12%, 9%, and 11% respectively, indicating that negative factors have already been reflected in the stock price [1] Group 1: Earnings Estimates - UBS expects that the negative factors affecting Minmetals Holdings have been fully reflected in the stock price, leading to an upward revision of earnings estimates [1] - The revised earnings per share estimates for fiscal years 2026, 2027, and 2028 are increased by 12%, 9%, and 11% respectively [1] Group 2: Valuation and Target Price - The target price for Minmetals Holdings has been raised from HKD 4.3 to HKD 5.5, reflecting a more favorable outlook [1] - The rating has been upgraded from "Neutral" to "Buy," indicating increased confidence in the stock's performance [1] Group 3: Market Conditions - The report suggests that while a turning point in the Chinese market may take longer to materialize, the domestic real estate situation is not expected to lead to a downward revaluation [1] - The potential for increased demand from the U.S. due to interest rate cuts may provide upward momentum for both fundamentals and valuations [1] - Despite uncertainties from tariffs, there may be opportunities for market share growth, contributing to a more positive outlook for Minmetals Holdings [1]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - For Q1 2026, net sales were $110.4 million, a growth of 6.2% compared to $104 million in the prior year quarter, marking the eighth consecutive quarter of sales growth [20][21] - Operating margin was 8.1%, up 230 basis points from 5.8% in the prior year quarter, representing the tenth consecutive quarter of year-over-year adjusted operating margin improvement [5][21] - GAAP operating income was $9.0 million, exceeding the top end of the guidance range of 6.0% to 7.3% of sales [21][22] - The company ended the quarter with a cash balance of $38.6 million and no bank debt [22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Sales growth was primarily driven by source soft seating products, partially offset by lower unit volume in made-to-order soft seating products and Home Styles branded ready-to-assemble category [20] - The current quarter included approximately $2.4 million in pricing from tariff surcharges [21] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - Weekly consumer traffic and sales were described as uneven, with significant volatility observed during the quarter [27] - The weak housing market and shaky consumer confidence are expected to be headwinds for the industry in the near term [7][10] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on growth strategies that include investments in consumer research, new product development, innovation, and marketing [5][12] - A total of 26 new product groups and 226 unique SKUs are being introduced, with a long-term goal of 30 to 40% of sales derived from new products [14][33] - The company is pursuing a multipronged response plan to mitigate tariff impacts, including increasing tariff surcharges and evaluating structural cost reduction opportunities [11][12] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - The management expressed confidence in navigating the challenging environment while maintaining a focus on growth investments [24] - The new Section 232 tariffs are expected to have a dramatic impact on the business and the entire U.S. furniture industry, leading to broad price increases and potential demand declines [9][10] - Despite near-term challenges, management remains optimistic about long-term industry growth drivers and Flexsteel's position to gain market share [12][24] Other Important Information - The company is committed to growing its case goods business through its Statements sub-brand, which emphasizes quality, design, and durability [16] - Consumer insights are driving innovation and marketing strategies, enhancing the in-store brand experience [17][18] Q&A Session Summary Question: Can you provide more details on the uneven demand during the quarter? - Management noted that weekly store traffic and sales were volatile, with weak performance leading up to Labor Day followed by strong sales around the holiday [27][28] Question: What was the level of the tariff surcharges and their impact? - The company implemented an 8.5% surcharge for the previous 20% tariff, which increased to 15% in anticipation of the new 30% tariff [30] Question: What percentage of sales is targeted from new products? - The long-term goal is for 30 to 40% of sales to come from new products, with over 50% of Q1 sales derived from new products [33] Question: What are the dynamics regarding USMCA compliance and tariffs? - The new Section 232 tariffs do not exempt USMCA compliant products, which changes the previous dynamics [41] Question: How are competitors responding to tariff-related price increases? - Competitors are passing through tariff increases, with some implementing surcharges as high as 21% to 25% [42]

Core Insights - ManpowerGroup reported third-quarter earnings of 83 cents per share, exceeding the analyst consensus estimate of 81 cents per share, and quarterly sales of $4.634 billion, surpassing the estimate of $4.600 billion [1] - The company anticipates fourth-quarter GAAP earnings between 78 cents and 88 cents per share, compared to market estimates of 78 cents per share [1] Group 1: Financial Performance - The third-quarter earnings of 83 cents per share marked a positive deviation from the expected 81 cents per share [1] - Quarterly sales reached $4.634 billion, exceeding the forecast of $4.600 billion [1] - The company projects fourth-quarter earnings in the range of 78 to 88 cents per share, aligning with market expectations [1] Group 2: Management Commentary - Jonas Prising, Chair & CEO, highlighted a return to growth after 11 consecutive quarters of revenue declines, attributing this to stabilized demand in North America and Europe [2] - The company is focused on increasing market share and reducing structural costs to enhance efficiency [2] - Prising expressed confidence in delivering long-term value to stakeholders [2] Group 3: Market Reaction and Analyst Ratings - Following the earnings announcement, ManpowerGroup shares fell by 5.1%, trading at $33.72 [2] - Barclays analyst Manav Patnaik maintained an Equal-Weight rating and reduced the price target from $50 to $42 [5] - UBS analyst Joshua Chan maintained a Neutral rating and lowered the price target from $40 to $39 [5]

Core Viewpoint - AutoZone, Inc. reported fourth-quarter earnings and sales that fell short of Wall Street expectations, leading to an initial dip in share price, although the stock later recovered slightly. Financial Performance - The company reported fourth-quarter earnings per share of $48.71, missing the analyst consensus estimate of $50.91 [1] - Quarterly sales were $6.242 billion, reflecting a year-over-year increase of 0.6%, but missed the expected $6.245 billion [1] - Adjusted sales, excluding an additional week from the previous year, increased by 6.9% [2] - Total same-store sales rose by 5.1%, with domestic same-store sales increasing by 4.8% [2] - Gross margin was 51.5%, down 98 basis points year-over-year, impacted by a non-cash LIFO headwind of 128 basis points from an $80 million charge [2] Profitability Metrics - Operating profit decreased by 7.8% to $1.2 billion [3] - Net income for the quarter was $837.0 million, compared to $902.2 million in the prior year [3] Shareholder Actions - AutoZone repurchased 117,000 shares in the fourth quarter at an average price of $3,821, totaling a buyback outlay of $446.7 million [3] Inventory and Expansion - The company's inventory increased by 14.1% year-over-year, primarily due to growth initiatives [3] - In the quarter ended August 30, 2025, AutoZone opened 91 U.S. stores, 45 in Mexico, and 6 in Brazil, totaling 141 net new stores [4] - The international unit reported constant-currency same-store sales growth of 7.2% [4] - AutoZone plans to accelerate store openings in the coming year to gain market share [4][5] Cash Position - The company exited the quarter with cash and equivalents amounting to $271.803 million [5]

ITT FY Conference Summary Company Overview - **Company**: ITT Inc. (NYSE: ITT) - **Date of Conference**: September 18, 2025 Key Points Industry and Market Position - ITT has experienced strong orders growth in Q2, indicating a positive trajectory for the company moving forward [3][4] - The automotive segment has seen a significant shift, with its contribution to EBIT decreasing from over 60% to approximately 30%, and projected to be around 20% by 2030 [4][5] - ITT aims for long-term targets of 5% organic growth, 10% total growth, and an operating margin of 23% or more [5] Financial Performance - ITT generated a free cash flow margin of 14% in Q2, which supports ongoing investments in R&D and M&A [3][6] - The company repurchased $500 million in shares this year, indicating a strong capital allocation strategy [18] Organic Growth Strategy - ITT has made significant investments in high-performance products across its segments, including automotive and industrial applications [9][10] - The automotive business has outperformed the market by approximately 700 basis points over the last decade, with market shares in Europe, China, and North America at 31%, 27%, and a healthy position respectively [10][11] - Major investments include a $50 million plant for high-performance vehicles, resulting in a 5% market share gain in that segment within 18 months [11][12] Inorganic Growth Strategy - ITT is actively pursuing M&A opportunities, focusing on high-margin businesses and establishing strong relationships with potential targets [14][15] - The company has a healthy M&A funnel and aims to deploy capital for acquisitions in the near future [15][16] Market Dynamics - The automotive market is expected to remain flat in production year-over-year, with China showing resilience while Europe and North America may decline [24][25] - ITT has maintained a strong market share in the automotive sector, with a focus on original equipment (OE) rather than aftermarket sales [23] Industrial Products (IP) Segment - The IP segment is experiencing moderate growth, particularly in spare parts, while the long-cycle business has seen a decline in the order funnel due to previous high order volumes [40][41] - The backlog for ITT stands at approximately $1.2 billion, with a significant portion expected to convert into revenue in 2025 and 2026 [47][48] Decarbonization Efforts - ITT is positioned to support customers in decarbonization efforts, particularly in oil and gas, with solutions that prevent flaring and enhance carbon capture [49][50] - The marine segment, particularly Svanehøj, is benefiting from a shift towards cleaner fuels like LNG and ammonia [50] Aerospace and Defense - The CCT segment, while smaller, has shown growth potential, particularly in defense applications [54][58] - ITT is negotiating new pricing terms with Boeing, aiming to adjust for increased material costs since previous contracts were set [56][57] Conclusion - ITT is strategically positioned for growth through a combination of organic and inorganic initiatives, with a strong focus on innovation, market share expansion, and capital allocation to enhance shareholder value [3][5][14]

Financial Data and Key Metrics Changes - Net sales for the first quarter were $50.7 million, down from $56.5 million in the prior year period, primarily due to market softness and tariff-related shipment pauses [21][22] - Gross profit improved to $7.2 million or 14.3% of sales, compared to $5.1 million or 9% of sales in the prior year, reflecting a 530 basis point increase driven by restructuring benefits [21][22] - Operating income was $1.6 million, a significant improvement from a loss of $6.9 million in the prior year [21][22] - Net loss for the quarter was $231,000 or $0.02 per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $7.3 million or $0.58 per diluted share in the prior year [22] Business Line Data and Key Metrics Changes - Bedding segment sales were $28 million, flat compared to the previous year, with gross profit at $2.9 million or 10.5% of sales, a significant improvement from a negative gross profit in the prior year [24] - Upholstery segment sales were $22.6 million, down approximately 20% from $28.5 million in the prior year, with gross profit at $4.3 million or 18.9% of sales, down from $5.5 million or 19.4% [25][26] Market Data and Key Metrics Changes - The bedding industry is still in a down cycle, but analysts suggest that demand may be close to bottoming out, with potential for recovery driven by product replacement and household formation [8][9] - The upholstery segment faced challenges due to high tariffs on imports from China, which significantly impacted sales during the quarter [11][12] Company Strategy and Development Direction - The company is focused on restructuring and integration initiatives to improve operating efficiency and profitability, with expectations for sequential sales growth throughout fiscal 2026 [31][32] - Project Blaze aims to unify operations and share resources across divisions, which is expected to enhance overall business performance [16][18] - The company is strategically positioned to capitalize on market recovery by maintaining flexibility in its supply chain and not limiting production capacity [42][43] Management's Comments on Operating Environment and Future Outlook - Management acknowledges the ongoing challenges from tariffs and market conditions but remains optimistic about gaining market share and improving profitability [9][31] - The company expects adjusted EBITDA results to range from near breakeven to slightly positive for the second quarter, with continued improvements anticipated throughout fiscal 2026 [31][32] Other Important Information - The company reported $11.1 million in total cash and $18.1 million in outstanding debt, maintaining a net debt position of $7.1 million [26][28] - Capital expenditures were reduced to $179,000 for the quarter, reflecting a focus on managing costs and efficiency [29] Q&A Session Summary Question: Are all known tariff impacts accounted for in your initiatives? - Management indicated that they have adjusted pricing and operations to mitigate tariff impacts, and they feel confident in their current strategies [34][35] Question: What is the elasticity of pricing in the current market? - Management acknowledged the competitive nature of the market but emphasized the need to pass on costs to maintain profitability [37] Question: How does the current market downturn compare to past cycles? - Management noted that while down cycles are common, the current downturn has been prolonged, but they are confident in a future recovery [40][42] Question: Will the company be able to meet increased demand with the existing cost structure? - Management assured that they have not limited capacity and can grow as demand increases, leveraging existing cost structures for better margins [43][44] Question: What is the estimated market value of real estate and the future use of NOLs? - Management provided a net book value of $12 million for real estate, with an estimated market value of $40 to $45 million, and discussed the potential future benefits of NOLs once profitability is achieved [45][46]