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投资大赛:阿里千问、DeepSeek赚了,GPT-5大亏
Nan Fang Du Shi Bao· 2025-11-04 13:41
Core Insights - The first AI large model trading competition initiated by the American AI research lab nof1 concluded, with six leading models participating in autonomous trading using market data without human intervention [1][5][7] - Two Chinese models, Alibaba's Qwen3 Max and DeepSeek Chat V3.1, achieved positive returns, with Qwen3 Max leading at a return rate of 22.3% and a profit of $2,232 [1][2][3] Performance Summary - Qwen3 Max achieved a return of 22.3%, with an account value of $12,232 and a win rate of 30.2% [3] - DeepSeek Chat V3.1 had a return of 4.89%, with an account value of $10,489 and a win rate of 24.4% [3] - Other models, including Claude Sonnet 4.5, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro, and GPT 5, experienced significant losses, with GPT 5 losing 62.66% [2][3] Trading Dynamics - The competition involved trading cryptocurrency derivatives, including Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Dogecoin, with each model starting with $10,000 [5] - Models were required to process quantitative data and execute trades without access to news or market information [5] - Qwen3 Max maintained the largest position size throughout the competition, while Grok 4 had the longest holding period [6] Model Behavior - Grok 4, GPT-5, and Gemini 2.5 Pro exhibited a higher frequency of short-selling compared to others, while Claude Sonnet 4.5 rarely engaged in short-selling [6] - Qwen3 Max had the narrowest stop-loss and take-profit distances, indicating a more conservative exit strategy [6] - The competition highlighted the need for dynamic testing of models in real market conditions, as opposed to static benchmark tests [7]
首届AI交易大赛落幕,6个AI炒币2周:Qwen、DeepSeek赚钱,GPT-5血亏6000刀
3 6 Ke· 2025-11-04 11:13
Core Insights - The inaugural Nof1 AI Model Trading Competition concluded, designed to measure AI investment capabilities, likened to a "Turing test" for the crypto space [1] - Six AI models participated, representing the latest technology from both Chinese and American developers, with Qwen3 Max emerging as the top performer [1][12] Competition Overview - The competition ran from October 17 to November 3, 2025, with each model starting with $10,000 in initial capital [1] - Trading was conducted on Hyperliquid, focusing on six popular cryptocurrencies: BTC, ETH, SOL, BNB, DOGE, and XRP [3] - The trading strategies were limited to buying, selling, holding, or closing positions, with a focus on mid-frequency trading [3] Performance Results - Qwen3 Max ranked first with a return of 22.3%, total profit of $2,232, and a win rate of 30.2% over 43 trades [2][5] - DeepSeek Chat V3.1 secured second place with a return of 4.89%, total profit of $489.08, and a win rate of 24.4% over 41 trades [2][5] - Other models, including Claude Sonnet 4.5, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro, and GPT-5, experienced significant losses, with GPT-5 showing the worst performance at -62.66% [4][11] Model Characteristics - Qwen3 Max exhibited an aggressive trading style with a high return and significant trading frequency, reflected in its Sharpe ratio of 0.273 [9] - DeepSeek Chat V3.1 demonstrated a more conservative approach with a higher Sharpe ratio of 0.359, indicating better risk management [9] - Claude Sonnet 4.5 and Grok 4 showed cautious strategies but suffered from low win rates and high losses [10] - Gemini 2.5 Pro and GPT-5 were characterized by high trading activity but poor performance, indicating ineffective strategies [11] Industry Implications - The competition has garnered significant attention, with industry leaders like Binance's founder commenting on the potential impact of AI trading strategies on market dynamics [7] - The results suggest that AI models from China, particularly Qwen3 Max and DeepSeek, are currently outperforming their American counterparts in terms of risk control and trend identification [12]
震荡股市中的AI交易员:DeepSeek从从容容游刃有余? 港大开源一周8k星标走红
Xin Lang Cai Jing· 2025-11-04 09:15
Core Insights - The article discusses the launch of the AI-Trader project by a team led by Professor Huang Chao from the University of Hong Kong, which aims to test AI trading capabilities in a volatile market environment [3][4][19] - The project involves six AI models trading in the Nasdaq 100, each starting with $10,000, and showcases their performance over a month of real trading [4][5] Performance Summary - The AI models exhibited varying performance, with DeepSeek-Chat-V3.1 leading at +13.89%, followed by MiniMax-M2 at +10.72%, and Claude-3.7-Sonnet at +7.12% [5][6] - In comparison, the Nasdaq 100 ETF (QQQ) only increased by +2.30% during the same period, highlighting the effectiveness of the AI models [5] Behavioral Finance Experiment - The experiment serves as a behavioral finance study, testing three key capabilities of AI systems: trading discipline, market patience, and information filtering [6][19] - The results illustrate the differences in algorithmic architecture and decision-making frameworks among the AI models, reflecting typical human investor behaviors [7][18] Individual AI Strategies - **DeepSeek-Chat-V3.1**: Utilized contrarian strategies by increasing positions in NVDA and MSFT during market downturns, achieving a +13.89% return [8] - **MiniMax-M2**: Maintained a balanced portfolio with low turnover, resulting in a +10.72% return, demonstrating the importance of consistency in high-volatility environments [9] - **Claude-3.7-Sonnet**: Focused on long-term value investing, holding positions in major tech stocks despite market fluctuations, yielding a +7.12% return [10] - **GPT-5**: Attempted dynamic rebalancing but faced timing issues, resulting in a +7.11% return [11] - **Qwen3-Max**: Adopted a wait-and-see approach, leading to a lower return of +3.44% due to missed opportunities [12] - **Gemini-2.5-Flash**: Engaged in high-frequency trading but suffered a -0.54% return due to overtrading and emotional decision-making [13] Insights on AI Trading - The experiment revealed that effective trading is not solely about action but also about knowing when to refrain from trading, as demonstrated by the success of DeepSeek and MiniMax [14][19] - The findings suggest that AI can provide valuable insights into investment decision-making processes, emphasizing the management of uncertainty rather than perfect market predictions [19] Future Implications - The AI-Trader project indicates a shift in Chinese AI technology from conversational capabilities to practical task execution, showcasing potential in complex financial decision-making [19] - The financial trading environment serves as an ideal testing ground for AI decision-making capabilities, with future applications anticipated in various sectors such as supply chain optimization and urban management [19]
AI大模型实时投资比赛落幕,阿里千问Qwen以22.32%的收益率夺冠!Qwen和DeepSeek两款中国模型也成为唯二盈利的模型,而四大美国顶尖模型全部亏损
Sou Hu Cai Jing· 2025-11-04 03:41
Group 1 - The core point of the article is that Alibaba's Qwen model won the championship in the AI large model real-time investment competition "Alpha Arena" with a return of 22.32% over 17 days [1][3] - The competition was initiated by a third-party organization, Nof1, on October 18, featuring six top models including Qwen3-Max, DeepSeek v3.1, GPT-5, Gemini 2.5 Pro, Claude Sonnet 4.5, and Grok 4, each starting with an initial capital of $10,000 [1][3] - Qwen and DeepSeek are the only two models that generated profits, while all four American models incurred losses, with GPT-5 experiencing a loss exceeding 62% [3]
台积电前副总警告:绕过现有架构,大陆说不定走新的路径反超我们,就像DeepSeek把大家都吓到!网友:不是说不定,是一定
Xin Lang Cai Jing· 2025-11-03 10:24
Core Viewpoint - The discussion centers around whether the semiconductor industry in mainland China can find alternative paths to achieve technological advancements and potentially surpass Taiwan's TSMC, especially in light of the challenges faced in advanced process nodes like 3nm and 2nm [1][5]. Group 1: Industry Dynamics - TSMC's former vice president suggested that mainland China might develop new technologies that could bypass the challenges of advanced nodes, such as using 7nm technology to achieve functionalities similar to 5nm [5]. - The semiconductor industry has seen escalating costs in advanced process development, with 3nm research costs reaching billions of dollars, while physical limitations like leakage and heat generation become more pressing [5]. - Despite being behind in traditional processes, mainland China's large market and lower costs provide fertile ground for innovation and experimentation [5]. Group 2: Recent Developments - A domestic research institute recently announced breakthroughs in gallium oxide semiconductor materials, which could significantly enhance performance in high-frequency and high-voltage applications, potentially circumventing existing silicon-based process limitations [5]. - A leading chip design company is reportedly testing a "compute-storage integration" architecture chip, achieving near 5nm AI computing power using 7nm technology, exemplifying the concept of using older nodes to perform tasks typically associated with newer nodes [5]. - The demand for cost-effective chips in the booming domestic electric vehicle and IoT markets is driving the commercialization of these new paths, with local wafer fabs operating at full capacity on 14nm lines [5]. Group 3: Community Reactions - Industry professionals express optimism about the potential for "new path" advancements, citing examples of overcoming Western sanctions and developing new packaging technologies that can match the performance of newer processes while reducing costs [6]. - Historical parallels are drawn, suggesting that the semiconductor industry could replicate past successes in other tech sectors where countries have "leapfrogged" traditional methods to achieve leadership [7]. Group 4: Challenges Ahead - While there are opportunities in pursuing new paths, challenges remain in standardizing technologies like Chiplet, which require collaboration across the supply chain, making it more complex than simply advancing process nodes [7].
诺贝尔化学奖得主迈克尔·莱维特:每天使用DeepSeek和Kimi,要学会向AI提问
Huan Qiu Wang· 2025-11-03 07:06
Core Insights - Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt emphasized the importance of AI in various applications, highlighting the use of Chinese AI software like DeepSeek and Kimi, alongside global counterparts such as ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude [1][3] - Levitt encourages a free exploration of artificial intelligence, suggesting that users maintain a childlike curiosity when interacting with AI [1] Group 1 - Michael Levitt, a Nobel laureate in Chemistry, has shifted his research focus towards artificial intelligence, recognizing China's rapid advancement in building a research ecosystem that outpaces the West [3] - Levitt's contributions to computational biology have laid the groundwork for modern drug design and AI-assisted research, showcasing the intersection of technology and life sciences [3]
DeepSeek“悄悄”上线全新模型,或触发硬件光计算革命
2 1 Shi Ji Jing Ji Bao Dao· 2025-10-30 05:54
Core Insights - DeepSeek has launched a new multimodal model, DeepSeek-OCR, which has sparked significant discussion in the industry regarding its potential applications in AI and quantum computing [1] - The model's visual encoder is noted for its efficient decoding capabilities, providing a clear technical pathway for integrating optical and quantum computing into large language models (LLMs) [1][2] Group 1: Technological Innovations - DeepSeek-OCR introduces "Contexts Optical Compression," allowing text to be processed as images, theoretically enabling infinite context and achieving a token compression of 7-20 times [2][3] - The model maintains 97% decoding accuracy at 10x compression and 60% accuracy at 20x compression, which is crucial for implementing memory and forgetting mechanisms in LLMs [2][3] Group 2: Implications for Optical Computing - The technology reduces the number of data segmentation and assembly operations, thereby lowering overall computational load and pressure on backend hardware [3][4] - DeepSeek-OCR's approach may facilitate the integration of optical computing chips with large models, leveraging the high parallelism and low power consumption of optical technologies [3][4] Group 3: Industry Challenges and Developments - Current challenges for optical computing include the need for advanced photonic-electronic integration and a mature software ecosystem to support large-scale development [5] - Key players in the optical computing space include domestic companies like Turing Quantum and international firms such as Lightmatter and Cerebras Systems, with Turing Quantum making strides in thin-film lithium niobate technology [5]
豆包月活首超DeepSeek登顶,即梦、可灵、智谱、Kimi集体下滑,“AI+医疗”异军突起
Hua Er Jie Jian Wen· 2025-10-29 06:57
Core Insights - The AI application market is experiencing significant polarization, with ByteDance's Doubao surpassing DeepSeek to become the dual champion in monthly active users and downloads [1][7][8] - Major tech companies are leveraging their vast resources to dominate the AI application landscape, posing challenges for startups to find unique value propositions [1][9][33] Monthly Active Users - Doubao achieved 159 million monthly active users in Q3 2025, a 22.2% increase from 130 million in Q2 [8][9] - DeepSeek's monthly active users fell by 14% to approximately 146 million, down from nearly 170 million in Q2 [8][9] - Tencent's Yuanbao maintained a steady performance with 30.9 million monthly active users, up 23.6% from 25 million [8][9] Monthly Downloads - Doubao's average monthly downloads reached 34.47 million, a 15.6% increase from 29.81 million in Q2 [8][9] - DeepSeek's downloads decreased by 7.9% to 20.80 million from 22.59 million [8][9] - Yuanbao's downloads grew by 40.9% to 8.70 million [8][9] Growth Leaders - Xiaoyunque saw a remarkable 246.1% increase in monthly active users, while its downloads surged by 102.5% [3][6][25] - Other notable growth apps include Duyin and AQ, which also experienced significant increases in user engagement [25][26] Declining Competitors - The "AI Four Little Giants" (Kimi, MiniMax, Zhiyu, and others) faced substantial declines, with Kimi's monthly active users dropping to 9.93 million, a decrease of about 30% [15][16][17] - MiniMax's monthly active users fell by 42.6%, and Zhiyu's decreased by 35.2% [15][16][20] Market Trends - The AI application market is shifting from broad-based competition to a focus on specific use cases and ecosystem integration [32][33] - The "AI + education" sector is cooling off, while "AI + healthcare" is emerging as a new growth area, with applications like AQ gaining traction [24][26][32] - The competitive landscape is increasingly favoring large tech companies, making it challenging for smaller firms to survive [33]
1.32亿!DeepSeek大单,360拿下
Sou Hu Cai Jing· 2025-10-29 06:05
Core Points - The Wuhan Artificial Intelligence Innovation Application Demonstration Base Project (Phase I) has awarded the bid to 360 Digital Security Technology Group Co., Ltd. with a total bid price of 132 million yuan [2][7] - The project aims to establish a comprehensive AI innovation application demonstration base, leveraging existing infrastructure in the Yangtze River New Area [3] Group 1: Project Details - The project includes the construction of an AI security cloud platform, AI infrastructure, and a large model development platform [4] - It will also establish an AI application workshop and an AI academy to support various industries such as manufacturing, new materials, and biomedicine [4] - The project will create AI governance centers, public service centers, SME service centers, and industry upgrade centers to provide intelligent services and solutions across four dimensions: governance, livelihood, enterprise, and industry [5] Group 2: Competitive Landscape - The first bidder, 360 Digital Security Technology Group Co., Ltd., had a bid of 132 million yuan, while the second and third bidders had bids of approximately 133.59 million yuan and 128.49 million yuan, respectively [7] - The project service period is 18 months from the date of contract signing until acceptance by the bidder [8] Group 3: Company Performance - 360 Digital Security has been increasing its investment in AI, with a reported revenue of 3.83 billion yuan for the first half of 2025, a year-on-year increase of 3.67% [9] - The company reported a net profit of -282 million yuan, a year-on-year increase of 17.43%, with R&D expenses amounting to 1.57 billion yuan, representing 40.89% of its revenue [9]
DeepSeek分析:未来5年,钱放黄金、存银行、买房哪个更划算?
Sou Hu Cai Jing· 2025-10-29 05:37
Group 1: Real Estate Market - The real estate market is undergoing a significant transformation, with average housing prices down approximately 30% from their peak in 2021 [3] - Governments are removing strict purchase restrictions, banks are lowering mortgage rates, and tax incentives are being introduced to stimulate the market [3] - Despite price declines, many cities still exhibit housing bubbles, particularly in first-tier cities like Shanghai and Shenzhen, where the price-to-income ratio can reach 40 times [5] Group 2: Investment Risks in Real Estate - The pandemic has negatively impacted incomes, making it difficult for residents to afford high housing prices [5] - The investment demand for real estate has significantly decreased, leading to concerns about potential further price declines [5] Group 3: Gold Market Insights - The liquidity of physical gold is questionable, as selling gold bars to banks often results in lower recovery prices compared to market value [7] - The price of gold is influenced by various factors, including the U.S. dollar index and global geopolitical situations, leading to high volatility [8] - Recent geopolitical events have caused significant fluctuations in gold prices, posing risks for ordinary investors [8] Group 4: Bank Deposits - Since 2024, major state-owned banks have been continuously lowering deposit interest rates, reducing the returns for savers [7] - Rising prices are eroding the purchasing power of savings, although bank deposits may still prevent significant wealth erosion compared to other investments [7] Group 5: Asset Allocation Strategy - A diversified asset allocation is essential for wealth preservation and growth, suggesting a balanced distribution across low-risk, medium-risk, and no-risk investments [7]