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复制马斯克想法?小鹏汽车放弃激光雷达,转投视觉方案,马斯克回应“笑哭”表情【附自动驾驶行业市场分析】
Qian Zhan Wang· 2025-09-29 08:37
Core Viewpoint - Xiaopeng Motors has decided to abandon LiDAR technology in favor of vision-based systems for autonomous driving, believing this shift will enhance system development and reliability [2][4]. Group 1: Company Strategy - Xiaopeng Motors' autonomous driving director stated that the company is confident in removing LiDAR, as the new AI system is built on short video data from customer driving experiences, which cannot utilize LiDAR data [2]. - The decision to adopt vision technology aligns with Tesla's approach, which emphasizes a pure vision strategy without LiDAR [4]. Group 2: Industry Comparison - Tesla has been a strong proponent of vision-based systems, claiming that multi-sensor data conflicts can reduce safety and that a camera-based system is more cost-effective and reliable [4]. - In contrast, many domestic manufacturers prefer multi-sensor fusion solutions, integrating LiDAR, cameras, and radar to enhance perception capabilities [7]. Group 3: Technology Advantages and Disadvantages - Vision-based systems are cost-effective and benefit from improving camera technology, but they struggle in adverse weather conditions, which can impair performance [5]. - Multi-sensor fusion systems leverage the strengths of various sensors, such as LiDAR's precision and radar's performance in poor weather, but face challenges in data integration and increased complexity [7]. Group 4: Market Trends - The penetration rate of advanced driver-assistance systems (L2 and above) has increased by 15.1% globally over the past three years, with China's rate rising from 0.5% in 2022 to 5.5% in 2024 [9]. - The Chinese market for automotive LiDAR is projected to exceed 3 billion yuan in 2023, with a compound annual growth rate of 124.20% over five years [10]. Group 5: Future Outlook - Both vision and multi-sensor fusion technologies are still in the early stages of development, with each facing unique challenges that need to be addressed for further advancement [12]. - The competition in the autonomous driving perception field is expected to intensify, with the most cost-effective solutions likely to dominate the market [13].
小鹏让马斯克哭笑不得,没了激光雷达,系统吸收数据更快?
3 6 Ke· 2025-09-28 23:58
日前,特斯拉首席执行官埃隆·马斯克在社交平台的一则回复,吸引了电车通的注意。 小鹏自动驾驶总监 Candice Yuan 接受海外媒体 CarNewsChina 采访时称,车企将摒弃激光雷达,转用视觉技术。 这并不是什么新鲜事,只是针对网友 "只要复制马斯克的想法就成功" 的总结,马斯克直接用一个 "笑哭" 表情回应,当中透着不少玩味。 截图:X 现阶段,汽车辅助驾驶的硬件基础方案,主要分为 "激光雷达派" 与 "纯视觉派" 两类。 特斯拉认为一个足够先进的人工智能系统应该只需要靠视觉就能自动驾驶,是坚定的"纯视觉派";绝大部分国产品牌则是坚定的"激光雷达派",他们认为激 光雷达的识别能力更强,能够为自动驾驶决策提供更可靠的支持。 从 "激光雷达派" 转向 "纯视觉派" 的车企,目前看来似乎只有小鹏汽车一家,这或许就是马斯克会"笑哭"的直接原因。 然而翻看品牌智驾发展的过往,无论是 "激光雷达派" 主导的时期,还是如今转投 "纯视觉派",小鹏汽车的每一个决策背后都有自己的考量。 图源:小鹏汽车官方 放弃激光雷达,是实力跃升的必然结果 早在 2021 年,小鹏汽车在全球范围内首次将激光雷达应用在量产车型小鹏 P ...
自动驾驶的流派纷争史
3 6 Ke· 2025-09-28 02:50
自动驾驶的商业化落地正在全球范围内加速推进。 截至2025年5月,Waymo在美国旧金山、洛杉矶、凤凰城和奥斯汀运营的自动驾驶出租车达到1500辆,每周完成超过25万次付费出行服务;百度Apollo已 在全球部署超1000辆无人驾驶汽车,累计提供超1100万次出行服务,安全行驶里程超过1.7亿公里。 大规模落地仿佛意味着技术已经成熟,其实不然,关于自动驾驶,还有很多尚未达成共识的流派分歧。 比如,传感器方案,纯视觉和多传感器融合方案该如何抉择?系统架构上,采用模块化设计,还是拥抱新兴的端到端架构?更进一步,关于如何理解世 界,VLA和VLM孰优孰劣? 这些悬而未决的争议,正引领着自动驾驶驶向尚未完全确定的未来。而理解这些不尽相同的技术路线,就是理解自动驾驶从哪里来、到哪里去,如何实现 技术的自我进化。 眼睛之争 纯视觉vs多传感器融合 一切始于"看见"。汽车如何感知世界,是自动驾驶的基石。在这个问题上存在着对峙已久的两大阵营,且双方至今未休。 故事最早可以追溯到2004年美国莫哈韦沙漠的一场挑战赛。 那时,美国国防高级研究计划局设立了200万美元的奖金,吸引数十支顶尖高校和科研机构参与,试图解答"如何让车辆感 ...
禾赛的未来,在于让“机器觉醒”
3 6 Ke· 2025-09-26 11:13
禾赛双重上市的时机,挑选得非常巧妙。 9月15日,禾赛科技宣布与一家美国领先的头部Robotaxi公司深化合作,签订价值超过4000万美元的激光雷达订单,将作为该公司唯一激光 雷达供应商,订单计划于2026年底前完成交付。 次日,挟好消息的禾赛就正式在香港联交所主板挂牌,成为首家实现"美股+港股"双重主要上市的激光雷达企业,募资约41.60亿港元,创下 近四年来中概股回港最大IPO规模。 当天,禾赛科技美股盘前股价强势拉升,涨幅超6%至30.29美元,港股开盘后股价迅速拉升,两分钟内涨幅突破10%,市值一度超过350亿 港元。 近期,高盛发布研报称,随着激光雷达今年在中国市场加速普及,并于2026至2027年开始在全球车企实现大规模量产,预测至2030年海外 ADAS激光雷达出货量将达300万台,相当于中国市场2025年的规模。高盛首次给予禾赛港股"买入"评级,目标价281港元,美股目标价由 26.3美元由上调至36美元,评级亦为"买入"。 但截至9 月 26 日午盘,禾赛港股股价为 227.2 港元,较发行价212.8港元,仅微涨,距离高盛给出的目标价更是甚远。 这家在激光雷达领域做到全球出货量第一的企业, ...
何小鹏,上了马斯克的贼船?!
Sou Hu Cai Jing· 2025-08-29 03:44
Core Viewpoint - Xiaopeng Motors has achieved significant pre-order success with the new Xiaopeng P7, receiving 10,000 orders in just 7 minutes, indicating strong market demand and consumer interest [1][39]. Group 1: Product Launch and Market Performance - The new Xiaopeng P7's pre-order performance is compared to other models, with the Xiaomi SU7 achieving 10,000 orders in 4 minutes and the Xiaopeng MONA M03 in 52 minutes, showcasing the competitive landscape [3]. - Xiaopeng Motors reported a total delivery of over 100,000 units in Q2 this year, marking a historical high with a year-on-year growth of 241.6% [39]. - The company's revenue reached RMB 18.27 billion in Q2, also a record high, with a year-on-year increase of 125.3% [39]. Group 2: Technological Strategy and Development - Xiaopeng Motors has shifted from supporting laser radar to a firm commitment to a pure vision approach for autonomous driving, aligning with Elon Musk's recent endorsement of the same technology [8][10]. - The company claims its self-developed Turing chip has effective computing power equivalent to three NVIDIA Orin X chips, positioning it as a leader in the industry [23][30]. - Xiaopeng's self-developed chips are tailored for their products, allowing for higher efficiency and better performance compared to generic chips used by competitors [28]. Group 3: Future Outlook and Competitive Landscape - Xiaopeng Motors anticipates launching L4 autonomous vehicles by 2026, with plans for pilot robotaxi operations in select areas [34]. - The CEO of Xiaopeng Motors stated that the sales in the past year and a half equate to the total sales of the previous nine years, indicating a strong growth trajectory [39]. - The company emphasizes its focus on technology and aesthetics as key drivers for future development, while acknowledging the competitive challenges ahead [40][42].
何小鹏,上了马斯克的贼船?!
电动车公社· 2025-08-28 16:01
Core Viewpoint - Xiaopeng Motors has achieved significant sales success with the new Xiaopeng P7, receiving 10,000 pre-orders in just 7 minutes, indicating strong market demand and consumer interest [2][56]. Group 1: Sales Performance - The new Xiaopeng P7 received 10,000 pre-orders in 7 minutes, showcasing its popularity compared to other models like the Xiaomi SU7 and Xiaopeng MONA M03, which had longer pre-order times [2][4]. - Xiaopeng Motors reported that its sales in the past year and a half are equivalent to the total sales of the previous nine years, highlighting a remarkable growth trajectory [56]. Group 2: Technological Advancements - Xiaopeng Motors has shifted from supporting laser radar to a pure vision approach for autonomous driving, aligning with industry trends and competitors like Tesla [13][26]. - The company claims its self-developed Turing chip has an effective computing power equivalent to three NVIDIA Orin X chips, significantly enhancing its autonomous driving capabilities [38][41]. - The advancements in computing power are expected to improve the performance of pure vision systems, allowing them to handle complex driving scenarios better than before [33][34]. Group 3: Future Outlook - Xiaopeng Motors aims to launch L4 autonomous vehicles by 2026 and is considering partnerships for robotaxi operations, indicating a strategic approach to future mobility solutions [49][54]. - The company anticipates a significant update in its autonomous driving capabilities by the end of this year, claiming it will outperform competitors by a factor of ten [49][56]. - Despite the positive outlook, the CEO acknowledges that the automotive industry remains competitive, with no company guaranteed success [60][62].
马斯克:激光雷达不安全,和其他传感器有冲突!
Sou Hu Cai Jing· 2025-08-26 08:58
Core Viewpoint - Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla, continues to criticize LiDAR technology, asserting that it does not enhance autonomous driving safety and may actually increase risks due to sensor conflicts [1][3]. Group 1: Tesla's Position on LiDAR - Musk has previously compared LiDAR to "an expensive appendix," indicating a long-standing skepticism towards the technology [3]. - Tesla has shifted to a "pure vision" approach, eliminating radar sensors from its vehicles, including the newly launched Model 3 [3]. - The core reason for Musk's opposition to LiDAR is the inconsistency in sensor data, which creates decision-making challenges for the system [3]. Group 2: Cost Considerations - Musk highlights the high costs associated with LiDAR technology as a significant factor in his opposition [3]. - Solid-state LiDAR costs have reportedly decreased significantly, with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi stating that the cost is now around $500, making it more acceptable for use [5]. Group 3: Diverging Opinions in the Industry - The autonomous driving industry is divided into two camps: those supporting LiDAR, including companies like Ideal, Huawei, and NIO, and those like Tesla that oppose it [5]. - Li Auto's CEO Li Xiang argues that the decision to retain LiDAR in Chinese vehicles is due to different road conditions in China compared to the U.S. [5]. - Li Xiang emphasizes that the challenges of driving at night in China, such as encountering poorly lit trucks, make LiDAR advantageous due to its superior visibility in low-light conditions [7].
特斯拉机器人大转向:训练需求至少是汽车的10倍
3 6 Ke· 2025-08-26 08:54
Core Viewpoint - Tesla is shifting its training strategy for the Optimus humanoid robot to a pure vision-based approach, moving away from traditional methods like motion capture and remote operation, aligning with Elon Musk's belief that AI can learn complex tasks through camera input [2][5][8]. Group 1: Training Strategy Shift - Tesla informed employees in late June that it would focus on using video recordings of human tasks to train the Optimus robot, allowing it to learn actions such as picking up objects and folding T-shirts [2]. - The abandonment of motion capture suits and remote operation is expected to accelerate data collection efforts [2][6]. - The new training method involves using five internally developed cameras mounted on employees' helmets and backpacks to capture multi-angle video data, enhancing the precision of the AI model's environmental understanding [6]. Group 2: Comparison with Industry Standards - Traditional methods in the industry, such as those used by Boston Dynamics, involve remote operation and motion capture suits to train robots [3]. - Experts suggest that while video data can be useful, it lacks the direct interaction experience that remote operation provides, making it challenging for robots to translate video data into real-world actions [3][6]. Group 3: Challenges and Expectations - The training demands for Optimus are expected to be significantly higher than those for Tesla's autonomous driving systems, with Musk indicating that the requirements could be at least ten times greater [8]. - Experts emphasize the need for Tesla to develop a universal action library to avoid the inefficiency of training each action individually [7]. - The complexity of teaching the robot to understand and perform tasks based on video observation is highlighted as a significant challenge compared to single-task training in autonomous driving [8].
特斯拉Model 3长续航版上市!830公里续航售价26.95万元起,马斯克官宣:9月FSD有重大更新
Mei Ri Jing Ji Xin Wen· 2025-08-12 09:04
Core Viewpoint - Tesla officially launched the Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive version with a range of 830 kilometers (CLTC) at a starting price of 269,500 yuan, with expected deliveries in September [1] Group 1: Product Launch and Features - The Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive version offers various purchase incentives, including a 5-year interest-free loan, 8,000 yuan insurance subsidy, and free transfer of smart driving assistance services for orders placed before August 31 [1] - The current lineup of Model 3 includes four variants priced from 235,500 yuan to 339,500 yuan, featuring different battery types and capacities [1] Group 2: Market Competition and Sales Performance - The Chinese electric sedan market is becoming increasingly competitive, with Tesla facing pressure from competitors like Xiaomi's SU7 and Xpeng's P7 [4] - In July, Tesla sold 9,851 Model 3 units in China, a 40.8% month-over-month decline, while cumulative sales from January to July reached 102,000 units, marking a 26.5% year-over-year increase [4] - Year-to-date sales for Tesla in China reached 432,000 units, down 13.6% compared to the same period in 2024 [4] Group 3: Future Product Strategy - Tesla's product line adjustments are seen as a key factor in declining sales, with the upcoming Model Y L expected to be priced around 350,000 yuan, potentially boosting sales [4] Group 4: Autonomous Driving Technology - Tesla's Full Self-Driving (FSD) feature has faced slow promotion in China, with a significant update planned for September that promises major improvements [5] - The company continues to pursue a pure vision-based approach for autonomous driving, despite industry skepticism regarding the technology's current limitations [5][6] Group 5: Market Capitalization - As of August 11, Tesla's stock price rose nearly 3%, closing at $339.03 per share, with a total market capitalization of $1.09 trillion [7]
追随马斯克脚步?何小鹏:视觉辅助驾驶上限远超激光雷达,过去表现不佳是因为算力不足【附智能网联汽车行业前景】
Qian Zhan Wang· 2025-08-08 12:49
Core Viewpoint - The ongoing debate between pure vision and LiDAR technology in the autonomous driving sector is highlighted, with Xiaopeng Motors firmly supporting the pure vision approach, believing it will outperform LiDAR in complex scenarios in the future [2][3]. Group 1: Company Perspectives - Xiaopeng Motors' chairman, He Xiaopeng, stated that the company will adhere to a pure vision route for its autonomous driving technology, emphasizing that advancements in computing power have resolved previous limitations of visual systems [2][3]. - The AI Eagle Eye driving solution from Xiaopeng Motors utilizes 8 million pixel cameras and Lofic technology, achieving a 125% increase in perception distance and a 40% improvement in recognition speed [2]. - Tesla's CEO, Elon Musk, is a strong advocate for the pure vision approach, arguing that it better simulates human driving and is more adaptable to existing traffic environments [3][4]. Group 2: Technical Comparisons - Pure vision systems rely on cameras and deep learning algorithms, offering advantages such as lower costs and greater data volume, but are sensitive to lighting and weather conditions [3]. - LiDAR technology provides high precision and all-weather functionality, but comes with higher hardware costs and complex data processing requirements [3][5]. - The Chinese LiDAR industry has gained significant competitiveness, with domestic manufacturers holding over 80% of the global market share, and the average cost of LiDAR for ADAS is expected to decrease by 15.56% to 3,800 yuan in 2024 [5][7]. Group 3: Market Trends - The rapid growth of the smart connected vehicle market in China is creating a testing ground for the technology route debate, with expectations that the penetration rate of smart connected new energy vehicles will exceed 40% by 2025 [7]. - By 2030, smart connected vehicles are projected to become mainstream, with the industry scale potentially exceeding 2 trillion yuan by 2029 [7]. - Current autonomous driving technologies, whether multi-sensor systems including LiDAR or pure vision systems, are still in the early stages of development and face various challenges [10].